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Scotland must shape up or face mediocrity, warns Hunter



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Published Date: 07 January 2007
SCOTLAND'S richest man has issued a stark warning to the country's political elite ahead of this year's Holyrood elections, saying they risk creating a "mediocre Scotland" unless they shake up their act.
Sir Tom Hunter, whose personal fortune is estimated to be around £750m and who has risen to become one of Britain's leading philanthropists, said Scotland had the chance to become a world leader in the coming years if only it had the "courage" and "ambition" to do so.

He is now calling on Scotland's politicians to focus on five key areas - education, biotechnology, tourism, financial services and alternative energy - where he says the country can become a world leader, if only politicians take a lead.

Failure to act radically in these areas, he is warning, will put Scotland in the slow lane at a time of increasing international competition from emerging nations across the globe.

Hunter will make his intervention into the pre-election debate over the future of the country when he hosts a conference in Glasgow this month, at which five will give their views on his key policy areas. He set up the Hunter Foundation in 1998, funding education and health projects for youngsters in Scotland and the developing world.

Hunter told Scotland on Sunday: "Scotland led the world in the old enlightenment. What is to stop us leading the new enlightenment? Particularly in an election year, this is about both raising our game and the bar.

"We cannot simply aspire to mediocrity. If we always do what we always have done, that is precisely what we will end up with - a mediocre Scotland, and that is not good enough for this generation of Scotland, and more importantly for future generations of Scots.

"When Kennedy set the ambition to reach the moon, he didn't know how to get there but he raised a nation's spirit and ambition. We might not be aiming for the moon, but we believe there are five key areas that we will debate - education, biotechnology, tourism, financial services and alternative energy. Scotland can once again lead the world in these areas. What we need is courage, ambition, and we need to take huge big bets in these sectors."

Ewan Hunter, chief executive of the Hunter Foundation, said: "Scotland has got leadership on biotechnology in its grasp but, to be frank, we have been messing about on the fringes with small amounts of investment when we need to take a big bet on it instead.

"If we pushed in half a million pounds of investment the return we would get would be phenomenal. We need to start putting our money where our mouth is."

The Hunter Foundation has already made a major impact in Scotland and across the world and has invested or committed to invest £35m in various projects with pledges of a further £100m in the pipeline.

Alex Salmond, leader of the SNP said: "We can argue about the sectors, but more important is the ambition which lies behind this, to move Scotland out of the mediocrity which we are currently in."

A spokesman for the Scottish Labour party said: "We welcome all positive contributions as to how Scotland can move forward as a modern country."

The full article contains 545 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

scottwebb.co.uk,

07/01/2007 01:12:30

I'm sure he was talking to the elites behind the politicians :)

2

2dogs in D.C.,

at home with the boys 07/01/2007 01:50:33

Whoa, if this dude was from the u.s., he would have had his nose un-painted red :->, But, if anyone wants ta do good,you say thank you, and may the politicians not get in the way ( I would have said beaurocrats, but i don't know how to spell it, leaves a bad taste in my keyboard.)

3

rab, glasgow,

07/01/2007 02:12:43

The red nosed man likes publicity, just like joke.
They are bored .

4

Faye,

Scotland 07/01/2007 02:26:16

He's right.

5

Mark, Las Cruces,

New Mexico 07/01/2007 02:38:16

Couldn't agree with his comments more. Just takes a wee bit of creative thinking, foresight and the courage to invest sensibly and in the appropriate amounts. There are so many areas of potential investment in alternative energy, engineering, and many other areas of science if you look around.

6

Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 07/01/2007 02:55:37

Methinks Alex Salmond is after a donaton a la Tom Farmer with his rather brown-nosing comments on Sir Tom H's remarks.

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2dogs in D.C.,

skritchn da boys ears 07/01/2007 04:04:23

Na, I've no business here...Good luck..............

9

Ian_,

07/01/2007 06:29:10

The Environment should be the main political issue in every country since (when you think about it) there's nothing more important. Alternative energy perhaps implies an environmental emphasis, but I would prefer it the other way round. I think an independent Scotland would tend to focus more on environmental matters than as part of the UK (DQ). It's one of many reasons why I'm in favour of us removing ourselves from the Disunited Queendom.

PS Al Gore for US president.

10

Pete39,

Tassy 07/01/2007 07:17:51

Anyone who has stayed in Scotland over the last twenty years can be classed as a patriot. Ok, he has money, earned by his own ability. If he says that you are going to have to work your butts off to achieve independence, I suggest that you believe him. True independence come from the belief that you are capable of bringing Scotland into the twenty first or twenty second era. As the Chookiembra once said, "pull your fingers out".

11

Ubi,

Edinburgh 07/01/2007 07:42:43

Unfortunately, for many of our representatives, mediocrity is the limit of their ability.

12

Heidegger,

Fife 07/01/2007 07:54:51

Does Mr Hunter not know that mediocrity
is Scotland's religion?

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Pete39,

Tassy 07/01/2007 08:21:13

No Heidegger, mediocrity was the essence of all us guys who moved out when we could not cope any longer with the abysmall decisions of our elected leaders. We would like the very many patriots who are still alive and kicking in Scotland to make the effort. I am too old to come home, but Cheezus, I would love Scotland to first get its true patriots elected to government, and second to seek Independence. A really nice way to go, eh!

15

donald,

weegieland 07/01/2007 08:41:03

mediocrity is a condition expected of any nation ruled by another.

Scotland is a residual nation. Those with get up and go have long since went.

16

Comerscroft,

07/01/2007 08:46:41

**13**

As always, Backward-looking Scots look to the past. What about the present century?

17

Comerscroft,

07/01/2007 08:49:22

**12**

Combine mediocrity with the typical Scottish chip-on-the shoulder whinge about 'we wuz robbed' and you get a cringe mentality such as defines Scotland.

18

Rulesbutnotrulers,

East Lothian 07/01/2007 09:04:34

Too late Tam. With half the workers being government servants in one way or another; and with most of the other workers either not working or working for foreign owners, the socialists whether labour, snp or green have ensured the once proud Scots must emigrate if they wish to be independent and self-reliant.

19

The Strategist,

07/01/2007 09:22:04

Scotland is already doing well in financial services but unlike other countries this hasn't resulted in higher investment in other sectors.

20

DecoLady,

Inverness 07/01/2007 09:33:13

Scotland's educational philosophy must be substantially improved in order for the country to rise above mediocrity. On the first day of a graduate programme I attended at the University of Glasgow,
we were told "It is NOT the student's place to ask questions." This "can't do" attitude runs rampant amidst the Scottish educational bureaucracy. I completed my M. Phil. studies in Israel, where I found a most positive, student-friendly, and advanced educational philosphy -- the foundation of an enlightened, forward-looking country.

21

Age of Reason,

on a high 07/01/2007 09:40:24

There is no conflict between socialistic policies and the pursuit of excellence
There IS a conflict between the Service Economy and the Generation of Wealth. A successful wealth-creating economy requires (currently) a financal service sector. It is advantageous to locate this sector at home to maximise the benefits. BUT there is no substitute for manufacturing as a mechanism for distributing wealth to all levels and people of any ability. This makes the social handout policy redundant and it will wither.
One can measure the quality of a society by its willingness to care for its disadvantaged members.
So we must promote a Scotland which combines our legendary skills of creativity, work-ethic and generosity. I'm with Tom F and will support him.

22

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 07/01/2007 09:56:46

Don't be too hard on bonnie wee Scotland , Tom. We've all but banned smoking and soon the whisky bottles will be smashed to oblivion. Here's to a drink-free Scotland.And when we waken up from our drunken stupour , we might be able to fix the few remaining things that are wrong with the world's finest country.

23

Cadgers,

Perth 07/01/2007 09:59:37

#4 Faye...agree.

24

Attila the nun,

South of the Border. 07/01/2007 10:04:49

He didna say from which direction mediocraty was being approached!

25

Itchy,

07/01/2007 10:05:37

#22

"There is no conflict between socialistic policies and the pursuit of excellence"

Yes, there is. Socialism is the dead weight that keeps Scotland's growth low. There are far too many nanny-statists in the main parties.

26

W Smith,

Middle East 07/01/2007 10:08:08

It was Bill Clinton in the early 90's who had the campaign slogan "its the economy, stupid!".

Speaking as a tax dodger...I mean expat...I wonder why FOREIGN investors would come to Scotland knowing that they will hand over at least 30% of their profits to Gordon Brown (or whoever) when they can go to Ireland and only pay 12.5% tax? In Estonia and Dubai the corporation tax is 0%.

The multi-national companies or foreign investors will not invest in Scotland out of patriotism or nationalism so what makes some of our Scottish politicians think that the corporation tax isn't an issue?

BTW
I think it was Nicol Stephen who said recently that Scotland's economy was "punching above its weight". Really? Scotland has the worst performing economy in the EU and this is "punching above its weight"?
Some of our politicians need to get out more often.

27

Mcsense,

Edinburgh 07/01/2007 10:21:10

As someone who left the employ of the Labour controlled City of Edinburgh Council last year I can say with certainty that there is a culture of encouraging mediocrity and blame. In addition there is a strong element of fear, managers fear their subordinates because many are more able as most of the managers I came across could never survive out in the'real'world so pretend that they can do something by hiding in the Council.
A situation exacerbated by a culture that demands paper qualifications but not ability or experience.

28

Dave M,

07/01/2007 10:26:12

If just had a look at Paul Voltaire's website and his summaries of Edinburgh's suburban areas is as good a reason as any to vote SNP.

Good job, Paul :*P

29

Dave M,

07/01/2007 10:29:26

That's 'I've', not 'If'!

30

famous 15,

Scotland 07/01/2007 10:33:48

Sir Tom Hunter is correct in his ambitions for Scotland but the only way to achieve them is to throw off the dead hand of New Labour. The SNP is as left as New Labour but has a healthy view of the importance of business. You cannot spent wealth you do not have...so encourage enterprise. Use the wealth the nation does have (yes oil enough) to invest in the future for our children. The further problem of the unionist parties..Labour Tory and Lib Dem is that their ambitions lie within Westminster....throw that off with a velvet revolution and focus on the needs of the Scottish people. It will be good honest hard work but we will be so much better for it. Let Scotland come alive again and yes lets have less of the negativity .

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Keir Hardie,

Inverness 07/01/2007 10:45:51

Come of it Tom, world leader? Get real! I'd be happier about being a Scot if we became less nationalistic and more realistic.

33

Hamilton,

07/01/2007 10:46:00

The biggest changes affecting Scotland are perhaps developments in global politics. This month, Germany assumed the presidency of the G8 and the European Union.

Ms Merkel (German Chancellor) says she wants closer economic ties between the EU and the US, and has mentioned that her tentative agenda for the G8 would include a first: the social dimensions of globalisation. However Scotland has no official input into this matter.

34

Pilrig,

Livingston 07/01/2007 10:49:18

#18 what you talking aboot 'once proud Scots' ? I wasn't aware that pride had departed from the land.
Diddy.

35

LM,

Scotland 07/01/2007 10:52:37

At last "a bloke" talking sense! Hoorah

36

David Park,

Ayrshire 07/01/2007 10:56:51

18. Good stuff. I particularly agree with your obvious appreciation of the merits of independence and self reliance.

37

Edward,

07/01/2007 11:28:56

Perhaps Tom can finance a live TV debate between Jack McC and Alex Salmond?
Now that would be money well spent

38

Jock Thomson,

Ayr 07/01/2007 12:03:35

Tom Hunter is absolutely correct, he is prepared to help but we all need to play our part.

There are two problems that only the electorate can solve.

(1.) how to get rid of the morally, ideologically and intellectually bankrupt Labour/Lib-Dem coalition? ANSWER - it looks as though the SNP may be the only party big enough to accomplish this so why not give them our vote in May and get the job done. It does not really matter for now that their policies are make believe or that many in their camp are mental minnows (most of the comments above and the ‘it’s time’ chant) What matters is breaking the present coalition’s back so severely that a grown up debate can be held post the May election. There is no way that the SNP are going to gain sufficient support this time round to force the independence issue and there are constitutional safeguards in place to prevent this happening. We cannot support the Lib-Dems who are as guilty as hell in all of this, the Tories are no longer a credible party, SSP dead in the water (thank God) and Greens lack intellect.

(2.) are we fit to govern ourselves and if so should we leave the union? ANSWER – maybes aye / maybes no. In our present state definitely not, but with the right people in place and by opening our minds to modern solutions, as practised in other countries, this may indeed become a realistic option.

It is a two stage process, we are possibly starting to figure out the first part and we can worry about the next bit when the time comes.

39

rab, glasgow,

07/01/2007 12:07:51

Joke ,would,ny turn up,he would be too scared.
Wee eck would roast him like the chicken jack is.

40

Scunner,

07/01/2007 12:52:19

Easy to say when you have all that money and people will listen. Who listens to my opinions? Farmer should go and stay in England. Most Scot's think he is a prat.

41

Abel Magwitch,

07/01/2007 12:55:53

These posts and others in the Scotsman suggest that the country is verging on revolution. If Scotland was really a dictatorship, this chat board would be quickly shut down and the contributors traced and punished. So we have one thing in our favour, Scotland is not (so far) a dictatorship despite fears about the nanny state.

Oddly there are no articulate comments in favour of the the McConnell position. And yet the opinion polls show that McConnell is running a strong second to the SNP.

Are the Labour supporters afraid to say anything here, even under the cloak of anonymity? Or are they just too inarticulate to express themselves? Or are they under orders from Joke not to provoke the opposition? Or are they not in the habit of reading the Scotsman publications? Perhaps a combination of all four.

42

Neil,

9% Growth Party 07/01/2007 13:17:44

Absolutely correct. We can get out of our rut of economic decline, but only by doing something.

Only thing I disagree with is that Scotland shouldn't be aiming to go to the Moon http://9percentgrowth.blogspot.com/2006/09/scottish-space...

http://9percentgrowth.blogspot.com/2006/09/x-prize-founda...

43

Dave M,

07/01/2007 13:21:31

38 This is a comments page and just because someone says 'It's time', doesn't, by definition, make them a mental minnow.

You don't have to be an articulate genius to know that many people have truly had enough of this patronising way of government and that there is another way forward.

Of course, an Independent Scotland would not automatically be a Utopian existence but it makes many people irritated that we continually get put down and told we're not good enough to even think about it.

Therefore, wait for it.....

It's time!

44

Scotswahey,

Bellshill 07/01/2007 13:26:01

Hey spidey #13, give me a few examples of unique achievements delivered by Scots recently, that all happened a long time ago. since then we have become experts at claiming brew money, not working and litigation !

This country has gone to the dogs - you just need to look around you. I was in Glasgow yesterday and if you take a step back and look at the place its an utter cowp !!

45

Russell M,

Stirling 07/01/2007 13:27:07

At the end of the 19th Century, after generations of abuse, labour thought socialism offered the only glimmer of hope for the future. As we've seen in the 20th Century the Soviet and New Labour styles of socialism differ only in the speed of societal suicide.

It is time for the Scots to write their own government (bureaucratic) instruction manual. Let's call it a 'Bill of Rights'. In it we will clearly spell out the limits of what government can do, so that even politicians (once called civil servants) can understand. This should not be particularly difficult because our 18th Century Enlightenment Philosophers have worked much of this ground before.

Progress is most likely when the mediocre get out of the way.

46

Mac Mhic Raonuill,

Scotland 07/01/2007 13:32:38

Sir Tom Hunter pressed the right button. He is a first class example of the old time Scot who got up and got it ! Ambition is the driving force but it is useless without the Will. The Will to succeed. The Will to govern ourselves as our predecessors of old. And the Will to carry out our ambitious plans through from the drawing board to the hard tack!

Hold you head up Scotland and just go for it!

47

pwd,

Borders 07/01/2007 13:34:40

39
Oor Wullie & Broons level of comment is worse than mediocre.

48

Russell M,

Stirling 07/01/2007 13:36:40

The book 'Stone Voices: The Search for Scotland' by Neal Ascherson, Hill & Wang, is a good starting point for discovering how insidious the stumbling blocks to progress are.

49

pwd,

Borders 07/01/2007 13:42:29

46
We may come to govern ourselves as our predecessors did but remember when that was the case Scotland was very poor, backward and very insignificant.

If Scotland ever had any greatness it was as part of a Union which rose far above the many inward and backward looking, state supported whingers we seem plagued with today.

50

Faye,

Scotland 07/01/2007 14:04:05

SNP wants democracy on planning rights by referendum! What a joke. Phone a friend and developers will be ensuring that some computer poll wins the "referendum".

The SNP needs to waken up - Scotland's asset is its landscape and ecotourism. Wake up, Wake up, Wake up SNP.

Sir Tom Hunter is right. A mediocre Scotland curtailed by its politicians.

Taxpayers money is being thrown at large multinationals who then close up shop so that they can capitalise on new tax breaks elsewhere.

Scotland has been famous for its inventors. But what do our current polticians do?

Starve Scottish inventors of vital cash!

What about George Leslie from the Orkney Islands?

http://www.land-care.org.uk/science/current_topics/2005/j...

Look at most of the USA and Canada - flat landscapes! Scotland has great scenery. Tourist figures prove that.

Scotland needs to waken up to the fact that its best selling feature is its landscape. But ...................the SNP wants to turn Scotland into an industrial wasteland littered with wind turbines everywhere ...........just like every other party who claims to care about Scotland.

Help our Scottish inventors and save Scotland's wild scenery.

SNP needs to ditch its policy of destroying Scotland's wild scenery before it will win the hearts and minds of people who care about Scotland and its dramatic wild scenery.

SNP should listen to people - it might win by a landslide - but unless it wakens up and realises that Scotland's best asset is its landscape, Scotland will continue to be a land of mediocrity, or worse,

condemned world wide as that place known as industrial wasteland covered with............wait for it.........

3,419 wind turbines! With more to come?

That is what so called 'green' poli

51

The Strategist,

07/01/2007 14:12:45

#27 W Smith........ During the recent Global Scot conference Nicol Stephen also said "private sector funders were hampering the drive to improve the number of successful start-ups by starving companies of the kind of risk capital that could make a vital difference to early-stage ventures."

He went on to say "That is very dangerous and short-sighted and ultimately damaging for the economy."

This is no longer just a matter of just throwing off the dead hand of New Labour. It's gone well beyond that. It's the dead hand of the City of London we can no longer afford and actually, neither can the rest of the Union.

52

Sean K,

Edinburgh 07/01/2007 14:20:37

Tom Hunter's remarks are welcome.

Our much hyped Holyrood parliament more resembles a glorified toon cooncil with most (not all)of its members immersed in their parochialism and incompetence.

To admit that is not to talk down Scotland. We have the talent but our bunch of rulers - politicians and senior civil servants are terrified on anyone with real talent getting close enough to expose their ignorance, lies, cowardice and short-sightedness.

For Scotland's sake, get rid of them !

53

Flabbergasted,

Ayr 07/01/2007 14:32:09

Might face mediocrity?? From where I sit that is all I can see with this washed out fourth rate bunch of so called politicians. If they any indication of what might transpire under so called home rule then gawd help us all. Even you lot who believe in it.

54

Isabel Ronan,

Edinburgh 07/01/2007 15:21:31

I wish Mr Tom Hunter would go into politics he would be a breathe of fresh air. One that is much needed.

55

Prinzowhales,

North Carolina 07/01/2007 15:23:29

Mr. Farmer has recently announced that he is starting a new party. While I don't know enough about the gent to question his motives. I'd just like to note that in the American experience, third parties are sometimes used by the Establishment to weaken or destroy a movement--such as the Scottish independence movement that is currently being expressed in support for the SNP.

One way to destroy the SNP would be for this new party to run strong candidates in areas where they could siphon off enough votes from the SNP. If it prevented the SNP from winning a clear majority of seats then it could, in theory, be part of a governing coalition with Labour and sell out everything that might be gained from an independent Scotland to benefit his class interests.

All in all Mr. Farmer's lamentations have all the earmarks of Chamber of Commerce boosterism cobbled together 'Dare-To-Be-Great' flim-flam. Let's see who will be running along behind his Rolls as he scatters his farthings.

56

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 07/01/2007 15:36:25

The scottish people are capable of leading the world in many fields. It appears that the politicians do everything they can to stifle business and 'their' people.

Tom Hunter is spot on - if only this was the calibre of person in the scottish parliment. He really does make these 'z' list, 5th rater MSPs look like exactly that ...

57

Neil,

9% Growth Party 07/01/2007 15:37:34

52 Typical Nicol Stephen. A sound bite about how it is all the fault of entrepreneurs & nothing to do with him. Meanwhile Scottish Enterprise spends £500 million a year on bureaucracy & pet windmill schemes. If venture capital is available in London & California but not here it is because venture capitalists look at his government & say that there are more profits & less paper shuffling elsewhere.

Meanwhile the "Lib" Dems are committed to putting political correctness inspectors across Scottish industry to ensure it is run according to the "expectations" of every "special interest group".

58

Blairs,

Tunisia 07/01/2007 15:55:09

Sir Tom's comments regarding the enlightenment are spot on. Edinburgh's Golden Age was from 1760 onwards. Glasgow and Dundee flourished during the Victorian era.

Scots, because of the then successful system in place, moved throughout the Empire running the place and making fortunes. But where is that drive now? Cowed under the tyrannical jackboot of the Union? No. Because it was the Union that gave the opportunity. Crushed by successive and more corrosive social experiments and socialist policies? I think so.

If Tom Hunter is ready to invest in Scotland, rather than telling him to move out to England (as one post states) perhaps we should be debating what, where, why and when?

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Blairs,

Tunisia 07/01/2007 16:11:58

Nicol Steven is nothing but a chancer. He played about with the route of the Aberdeen by-pass so that he could make political capital out of it. The fact the revised route is now a much more expensive solution with no obvious advantage doesn't come into it. Anything he says should be taken with a bucket of salt.

As for the City or PI not rushing forward to pump money into his pet plans, can you blame them? The idea is to weigh the risks, assesses the merits and returns of a proposal and say yes or no. If private investors are saying no then it is only because they see less risk and more return on their investment elsewhere. Dont blame them, blame the people creating the investment climbate.

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bill7,

Central 07/01/2007 16:19:25

Neil of 9% Growth Party is one of the few here speaking with the necessary learning
-it is indeed all about economics.
I used to be a Socialist, boy was I wrong.
A great book:
Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell

If you are a socialist or believe in big government, this book could alter your entire consciousness. Boy is it liberating to have read that.
Individualism is not the same as selfishness.
That is the insight which comes of understanding the insight (and verifiable fact) that general prosperity is maximised by individuals who work to maximise their own benefit.
Free market and small government is not a religion, it is merely the most approproate means of achieving the level of material prosperity that we all need. It's not sensible for people to have personal opinions on this point unless they have at least read about classical liberalism, or, say, Statecraft by Thatcher, or the book above.
(if the mere mention of Thatcher throws you off, and classifies this author as the enemy, then we really are in trouble) -please be temperate

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bill7,

Central 07/01/2007 16:23:43

oops, reviewing above, most people in recent comments do seem on the ball about small government etc... sorry

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Jimmy The Hip,

07/01/2007 16:29:26

SCOTLAND'S richest man has issued a stark warning to the country's political elite ahead of this year's Holyrood elections, saying they risk creating a "mediocre Scotland" unless they shake up their act.
Alex Salmond, leader of the SNP said: "We can argue about the sectors, but more important is the ambition which lies behind this, to move Scotland out of the mediocrity which we are currently in."

Here we have mediocre Alec Salmond talking Scotland down. If Salmond is correct Scotland is already mediocre, who is right?

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Rulesbutnotrulers,

East Lothian 07/01/2007 16:44:04

Is it not pretty obvious that in socialist Scotland nearly everyone with get up and go has got up and gone? Beyond indpendence SNP has nothing to offer other than blood, sweat and tears - ours, not theirs.

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bill7,

Central 07/01/2007 17:20:58

Rather than let this be a vent for frustration (though that be understandable)
How about this: Socialists also have get up and go.

It's just that the social justice they want is not the end result of their policies. They have intentions, but lack understanding of the consequences of their policies.

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W Smith,

Middle East 07/01/2007 17:38:23

#60 Bill, #57 Neil, #63 Rulesbutnotrulers

Well said Bill! The forerunner to Thatcher was, of course, Adam Smith and then much later Milton Friedman.

The irony is that the left-wing, old labour, socialist tax imposed on the Scots and Scottish companies originates from Kirkcaldy's Mr Brown.

India is very fortunate to have Mr Manmohan Singh who is credited with helping to start India's economic boom as Finance Minister and now he is the PM - an admirer of Friedman, Smith and Thatcher I believe. Singapore's Mr Lee Kuan Yew had the same basic strategy as Mr Singh - low taxation and less regulations for business.

BTW
An american neighbour of mine recently told me that some companies in Massachusetts were moving out of the state and moving to his home state of New Hampshire where business taxes are lower. Does this sound familiar?
(The nick name given to Massachusetts is Taxachusetts - maybe Scotland should called Taxedonia).

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Media 1,

cape town 07/01/2007 17:39:41

The old man is spot on!

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Sambo,

The deep south 07/01/2007 17:53:32

Scotland needs to become the 51st State of the US if it ever needs to prosper. Scotland sent so many sons to the US where they could create science and industrial wealth. I think that every Scot should have a US passport.

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GlobalScot,

California, USA 07/01/2007 18:02:31

As one who "got up and went" many years ago, I must say that why I left was because Scotland (and the UK in general) failed to grasp the concept of developing a semiconductor industry. Instead, the focus was on inward investment and pulling in jobs. Of course, without an indigenous industry, nothing stuck and the inward investments turned outwards, taking the likes of me with them. Conversely, look at how the US, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and now China all built successful industries that compete globally. Scotland got left in the dust.

If I look at where I live today, I see substantially more successful people per capita like Sir Tom; I seldom run into conversations and chat rooms about politics, but frequently talk business and technology; I notice that risk-taking and success are admired, respected and supported; and that people don't expect the government to make them successful, but get out and do it themselves. The people with “get up and go” don’t get driven out or suppressed to the point where they look elsewhere.

While back in Scotland this summer, I observed that the financial services business is strong and healthy, and there are a few pockets of innovation still going on, but the biggest topic of "business" conversation was retail. I saw very little of what I would call real “business” going on – just look in the newspapers’ “Business” sections to get a feel for it – it’s nearly all finance, retail and housing. Scotland appears to be becoming a nation of shopkeepers, bankers and politicians (both paid and armchair) with precious little interest in developing natural or man-made resources that can serve global markets.

I fail to see how a small place like Scotland with just 5 million people could have the critical mass to sustain independence. If you think there is too much overhead now, just wait and see what happens if independence is achieved. Devolution was a good move that gives Scotland local control much

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HUGH JAMPTON,

07/01/2007 18:24:32

Surely there ia misprint in the headline.
I'm certain it should read TO not OR!!!!!

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W Smith,

Middle East 07/01/2007 18:27:44

#69 Global Scot
You've covered alot of ground so I won't discuss all your points.

You said "lead by example with the economy and don't wait for the politicians".

But surely the politicians have to get out of the way first by cutting the red tape and then cut the taxation - correct?

I heard that the reason Washington state has so many great companies like Microsoft, Boeing, Starbucks, etc, is because the business taxes are considerably lower than other states. Can you confirm this?

If this is the case then we go back to square one where there has to be a fundamental change to Scotland's form or style of government - correct?

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Kenneth,

07/01/2007 18:51:40

#71

Yes taxes and incentives draw companies in their infancy and old age to more accomodating places. California invited everyone out West after WW2 and gave incentives, land, and sunshine. When the bundling of companies and the proximity of industry was established California was the place to start a company. Everything you needed was right there. Then as the infrastructure began to cost more and taxes on property were capped, businesses began to get taxed more. Other taxes were added in and on until in order to get a proper talent one had to pay a high salery. In the late eighties and early nineties other states such as Georgia, New Mexico, Arizona, and Washington State began to offer incentives to large companies-a start up is still going to do well starting in San Francisco and Los Angeles because of the proximity of infrastructure. Atlanta Georgia started in the late sixties when it was destitute. They offerred land and tax incentives. In 1991 Lockheed moved ten thousand high paid jobs to Atlanta from Los Angeles. Imagine cutting payroll by one or two thousand dollars a month over ten thousand jobs.($10mil to $20mil a month). Hughs, Lockheed and other companies moved divisions out of the LA area to the tune of tens of thousands of high paid salaries. Seattle made it easy for Boeing to situate there. In the twenties Boeing considered Vancouver British Columbia but the stuffy Canadians would not offer incentives. Atlanta is now booming. Seattle is booming. The formula is obvious. With the need of a new boom and the need to clean up our act, there are gazilions to be made in technology that helps undo the mess we have made: energy, trash, biodegradable trash, etc.

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GlobalScot,

California, USA 07/01/2007 18:52:28

Yes, my comment "set the environment and clear the paths" is as you say, "cutting the red tape". However, with "cutting taxation", I think we would run into a "what comes first - chicken or egg" discussion. If you have a strong economy, then cutting taxation is relatively easy, but I doubt that cutting taxation will necessarily result in economy stimulation. I very much doubt that WA's great companies are there because of low taxes. I'm in Silicon Valley and the reason we have great companies like Intel, Google, etc. is because we have an environment that truly stimulates entrepreneuralism, supports and encourages risk. We don't have low taxes, but we still have a lot of extremely successful companies in a State with a strong economy. To me, it's not so much the level of taxation, but more about how it is spent.

My opinion is that Scotland's government should focus more on a style that creates an infrastructure of real support, help and encouragement for its entrepreneurs. The GlobalScot network has been a great start and the GlobalScot conference in September identified much of the recipe that will be required to make a significant improvement. Just listen to the speakers for some great insight and ideas... http://www.scottish-enterprise.com/sedotcom_home/services...

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fatboyslim,

glasgow 07/01/2007 19:17:17

he is taking a lot of cack "Scotland must shape up or face mediocrity" sounds more like a slogan for encouraging someone to go to the gym shape up or end being a fat pudding.

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W Smith,

Middle East 07/01/2007 19:19:09

#72 Kenneth
excellent - a lot of info there.

#73 Global Scot
Actually I have just checked your link and to be honest normally I wouldn't bother with Scottish Enterprise info - but the speakers listed look impressive. I'll check out what they have to say. I hope our politicians are listening.

Thanks to you both - its late here so I'm off.

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John1,

NZ 07/01/2007 19:28:17

Glad to hear some positive ideas being mooted. Scotland's cringe mentalitiy is the major drag on the innovators who are still there. I encounter a lot of creative peple in NZ who got up and went to get way from the choice of socialists in Scotland. They are unlikely to come back. How do we tackle the mentality that criticises success and demands handouts, or thinks 'independance' is the answer as everything will be nationalised and all wealth shared rather than earned? That is Scotland's big problem.

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bill7,

Central 07/01/2007 19:43:10

#73 Global Scot
I wonder if I could ask you how you would respond to someone who wants to start a business but is suspicious of government trying to husband entrepreneurialism.

As a potential cynic, (who did not go to the Global Scot conference, though might have done if I knew about it) --such a thing is good for politicians because they can hand out a lot of glossy brochures, and generate a feel good factor among participants. (i.e. my point is that it is undoubtedly good pr for politicians).

Outcomes (for participants):
1. "Enjoyed the conference and met people" -fine.
2. "Discussions were had and contacts were made" -potentially useful.
3. But: Did it or does anything deriving from it have a concrete effect on your business success?
-if the answer is "um, well..." -then isn't it merely a talking shop?

It looks to me like government husbanding and paying for something akin to a coffee shop.
(remember: that the conference exists is through taxation) (such conferences also exist in the private sector, where there is a market for them)

I think and hope that I represent economic expertise accurately by saying that the best thing government can do to encourage growth is set the minimum regulations that are required, set the incentives (including low tax and other things), and then get out of the way. To say anything more about Scotland in particular, what we definitely need is consultation from the experts (lets pray and hope this connection is made), on just how Scotland as the economy that it is can take a positive course like this. Hong Kong, Singapore, and now Dubai are stunning examples of economic success, although massively different from Scotland in their actual economic structure. What we need to see is what is possible and what specific economically sound measures can work for Scotland, and are not politically motivated.

PS (though this is an important point)

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The Strategist,

07/01/2007 21:54:39

#73 - Global Scot
#72 - Kenneth

I've been to these places - CA, Atlanta etc - and have a son working in Seattle. You are both truly missing the point...

Silicon Valley did not achieve its world renowned status simply because of the quality of the engineers that settled there. What really made it happen was the fact that the US financial institutions spotted what was going on, moved in to grab a piece of the action and so provided the kickstart the industry needed. There's a famous road where all the banks/VCs set themselves up - can't remember its name....

In Scotland - and the UK for that matter - this would simply never happen. The financial institutions and in particular their management just simply aren't opportunistic enough....

And - it wouldn't matter at all what you did to taxes and regulations.. These people just don't think like anyone else.

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GlobalScot,

California, USA 07/01/2007 22:13:48

#77 - Your question about "how you would respond to someone who wants to start a business but is suspicious of government trying to husband entrepreneurialism"...

Avoid the cynical reaction and go ask SE for GlobalScot help. Try it - you'll like it! The Gov't is merely the conduit for making connections between people like yourself and the 800+ members like myself. They will connect you directly with the right people who have the area of expertise that you seek - and then get out of the way. The help you get will be free with no strings attached - unless it becomes clear that you need more serious time commitments and then maybe a win-win longer-term relationship will be needed between the GlobalScot and your company (e.g. a non-Exec. Director position or something appropriate). But the initial advice and help will be free and based on solid experience. As they say, don't look a gift horse in the mouth :-)

If you really have a problem going through SE, then try Google as many of us can be found on the Internet and if we can't help you, we may be able to refer you to someone. Although the direct SE approach is best. I am personally helping some Scottish companies and continue to seek more.

Remember that although taxpayer money funded the GlobaScot Conference, those who attended paid their own way there from all across the world. The Scottish companies that attended will collectively benefit by multiples over what was spent in taxpayer funds. The real benefit was not the speakers, but the networking connections that were facilitated at the event. Sadly, I could not attend personally, but have heard great feedback.

#79 - Agreed, but it was private money and driven individuals that enabled it - not government. BTW - Sand Hill Road in Menlo Park is the VC haven. The Scottish VC community, Angels, etc. just aren't on the same scale as those here and as you say, don't think like them.

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DonMac,

donaldnealmckay.com 07/01/2007 23:26:42

Scotland needs entrepreneurs - unplugged.

Scotland also needs a single dynamic native leader- a person who doesn't continually jaw about what Scotland should do, but one who gets out front and actually does some leading.

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Blairs,

Tunisia 07/01/2007 23:28:30

Amazing to see the actual intellectual comment on the debate has come late due to time lag and living abroad. The debate from Scotland centred around partisan Alex Salmond is a super bloke/complete clown and Jack McConnell is a grea bloke/complete clown. Akahow, as the Tunisians say.

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The Strategist,

07/01/2007 23:41:52

#79... Global Scot......

Sand Hill Road - yep that's the place I was thinking of..

So - if you agree the Scottish VC community, Angels, etc. just aren't on the same scale as those here and as you say, don't think like them then how could we use the Global Scot community to access or at least bring to the attention of the US VC/Angel community all those opportunities in Scotland that our community don't show any interest in and probably doesn't even know exist.

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mercurial,

08/01/2007 00:37:17

As an expat absent from Scotland for many years, one of the most noticeable things to me is the negativity there. It seems like a national disease (along with boozing). My older brother would always say " these yanks are dreamers!" Yeah they are and that's good! You must have a dream before you can make a dream happen. My fantasy is that all young Scots could spend from 6 months to a year in a positive thinking country and then return to Scotland. They would be changed forever.
What Scotland needs desperately is Positive Self-expectancy.

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mercurial,

08/01/2007 00:40:30

As an expat absent from Scotland for many years, one of the most noticeable things to me is the negativity there. It seems like a national disease (along with boozing). My older brother would always say " these yanks are dreamers!" Yeah they are and that's good! You must have a dream before you can make a dream happen. My fantasy is that all young Scots could spend from 6 months to a year in a positive thinking country and then return to Scotland. They would be changed forever.
What Scotland needs desperately is Positive Self-expectancy.

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GlobalScot,

California, USA 08/01/2007 00:59:50

#82... Dick - That's a great question. There's no single solution to this problem. It's going to take multiple actions from multiple areas.

I have visited many of the fund managers in Edinburgh as part of my business travels. There's a lot of invested capital controlled from there. However, most tend to be way too conservative and stick to traditional investment vehicles vs technology, bio, etc.

So, I don't think the problem is a shortage of money as much as a lack of understanding and confidence in these areas. What I see in Scotland is very few serial entrepreneurs who have the experience, skills and maybe a bit of money to help start-ups get "off the ground" - we have lots of those in Silicon Valley. This is where I believe the GlobalScots could help. Geographic spread is a challenge, but it is also a huge advantage when it comes to commercialization of products into global markets. Harnessing this power is what I see other ethnic communities do extremely well (e.g. Indians, Taiwanese, Israeli...). We need to learn how to do it and it will take a push-pull effort with SE as the catalyst.

In terms of the US VC/Angel community coming to the rescue, don't hold your breath. I know of 3 who are intrested in transatlantic investments, but the majority favour their own "backyard" for sources of opportunity. Remember, they don't just want to put in money to make lots of money, they also want to keep a close eye on it and be there to help.

You bring up Angels - I have found that Californian Angels are generally more helpful and less controlling than UK counterparts. I have seen several Scottish companies that have been "drip-fed" funding instead of being funded for success.

A good example of early-stage funding is when the Government in London last year launched their UK Enterprise Capital Fund (ECF) initiative where 4 or 5 new early-stage funds were established with up to £30M each to invest.

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Conan,

Here 08/01/2007 01:22:03

The game is changing people, as the map changes.

The warmings being given are entirely correct.

Either Scotland (an 'independent' Scotland, I mean) will HAVE to be able to compete pound-for-pound against the best worldwide, or it will be lest in the dust and debris or progress (regardless of what some of you might choose to think about 'progress').

The fight is on and in a fight you have to decide before you get in are you in it to win, to hold-your-own, or just to put on a show regardless of the outcome?

Winning is the only option. All else is called losing.

Live it, love it, deal with it, and make it your own goal in your own life.

It may be that the legions of Scots who will not compete, and will not produce, and are essentially a drain on the life energies of others will need to be exported somewhere - perhaps to St Kilda to live with 'Guga'?