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Published Date: 12 October 2008
Kris Boyd has confirmed he will not play for Scotland again while George Burley is manager.
The Rangers striker was an unused substitute in yesterday's goalless World Cup qualifier against Norway at Hampden.

Boyd told BBC Scotland that he has informed both Burley and Scottish Football Association chief executive Gordon Smith of his decision.

"I left a message on George Burley's phone last night and he hadn't got back to me," Boyd said.

"I didn't think just leaving a message was very professional, so I spoke with Gordon Smith and informed him of my decision."

But Boyd insisted he had not closed the door on his Scotland career completely, adding: "I will not be playing for George Burley again, but I hope to be back in a Scotland jersey again one day."

Boyd has reportedly become frustrated at his lack of involvement under the Scotland boss, playing just 28 minutes of six games while Burley has been at the helm.

And, with seven goals from 15 appearances for the national team, he would have been further disappointed to remain on the bench for the entire game against Norway.

Having started with James McFadden as the lone striker, Burley then turned to Steven Fletcher and Chris Iwelumo – with just one cap between them – in a vain attempt to claim a win.

Boyd's stance follows the decision of Rangers club-mate Lee McCulloch to retire from international football last month.

The full article contains 243 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 October 2008 2:08 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Scotland's football team
 
1

Mr Benn,

Blarney 12/10/2008 14:25:42
Can we now expect boyd to be vilified by every supporter for turning his back on his country....?
2

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 14:33:15
boyd knows that the brown nosed parasites will be right behind him and it will also get him a few brownie points with the rangers fans who have went all "anti scotland" due to the booing at the norehern ireland game..however one hopes that scottish football fans may dish out the same bile for boyds traitorous act as others have suffered...although boyd doesnt play that much...first choice against st mirren..eh no..no appearences in the last 5 old firm games and 3 starts in the last 21 european games for rangers..boyd is the perfect example of the over paid overhyped modern player...he will look back at his career with some sadness thats for sure...
3

Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 14:53:50
Cannot agree with any player deciding that he will not play for his country.Something obviously not right off the park.

MASSIVE loss (unlike McCulloch) to Scotland.

Have to say what is the point of having him on the bench & not using him when it as obvious he was the man that could win the game for us.

The only player we have to come in who could emulate Boyds scoring exploits is Riordan.
4

Stars in your eyes,

Manchester 12/10/2008 14:56:00
I don't understand his attitude, and why are Rangers fans so anti-Scottish? Is it because there is quite a large Celtic presence in the Scotland team?

In fact Boyd is a decent player, but when he gets his chance he must take it, but his attitude is all wrong.

This is not the school football team you are playing for. It is the national team - grow up Boyd!
5

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 14:58:39
#4 rangers fans were irked at the booing of the northern irish national anthem at hampden..

boyds situation is best summed up by another poster
"What is the official line from RFC on Boyd's continued ommission from the team?

I'd have Boyd in the team every week before Miller and JCD.

Why is this acceptable for the baying media, yet Burleys isn't?
6

Daillyman,

12/10/2008 15:06:08
As a Gers supporter I am saddened by this players decision. I agree that he should have come on yesterday when we were chasing a goal to try to win the game. Burley messed up big time.

As a professional he should have kept his mouth shut and just got on with things wait to be selected for the national side, rammed home a couple of goals to show Burley what he brings to the side.

What is next, doing the same thing to WS and Rangers.

Very poor attitude by a spoiled immature boy.
7

Wullie67,

12/10/2008 15:08:36
Good riddance Boyd. Here's hoping no other Scotland manager ever picks him either. Seems like the Glasgow media are up to their usual nasty, spiteful little ways.
8

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 15:11:48
leaving aside boyd for a second..isnt it great after a drought of threads to post on we now have lots..well done the scotsman.sos...and well done the posters for actually slagging each other civilly..xxx
9

Stars in your eyes,

Manchester 12/10/2008 15:12:54
5
Booing of N Ireland national anthem is poor excuse for being anti-Scotland. I've nothing against Ulster but they aren't Scots and fair game for the usual banter between fans.

Boyd can score goals and Scotland need goal scorers but with that attitude he will never be successful.

Burley maybe out of depth but he is the boss, and probably the best guy available.
10

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 15:16:13
#9 maybe burley thought boyd likes being humiliated as he seems to enjoy it at ibrox....no old firm appearences in the last 5..3 starts in the last 21 rangers european games..and being dropped after smith said he was going to build his team around boyd..ouch..that must have hurt...but at least walter was shown as the master tactician as the st mirren game worked out fine for him...oh wait a minute..it didnt the gers lost and we had pages and pages of journalists questioning why 2 non goal scorers like miller and darcheville played before boyd..oh wait a minute again..not a whisper..but at least the parasites can get it out their system by attacking burely.. bless xxx
11

radge dug,

Alba gu brath 12/10/2008 15:18:32
Boyd should have played yesterday. But Burley isn't the first manager to snub Boyd. PLG and Smith both snubbed him too. Grow up Boyd - you represent Scotland not Burley. What a fuddd.

I agree that Burley should go though. Great at Hearts, lost at Scotland. All our games under GB have been cac. We were lucky in Iceland.
12

Daillyman,

12/10/2008 15:24:18
8 bto

I would have had the same respect had Boyd asked the SFA to release a press statement tomorrow informing the public of his decision. Instead of him going directly to the media.

Will he now pull the same BS. on WS when he is not a regular for RFC. A poor professional in my opinion.
13

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 15:28:28
#17 i just spoke to my dad ..he said boyd is a back stabbing traitor who has ran to his friends amongst the drunken monkey media..so who to believe eh xxx
14

Daillyman,

12/10/2008 15:40:08
17 bto

don't leave us in suspense!!
15

obligor,

12/10/2008 15:42:48
Boyd is only sooking in with "Walter" so that he might get a game with Rearrangerz.

One things for sure,Boyd turning his back on Scotland is something that "Walter" excelled in,and says more for whats going on at Ibrox under "Walters" management style than it ever could about Scotland.

Doesn`t it.
16

James,,

12/10/2008 15:45:53
Boyd should never be allowed to play for Scotland again, unless he publicly apologises for being a spoiled brat and agrees to play for his country regardless of who the manager is.
17

FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 12/10/2008 15:47:51
I suppose we'll have to see what Boyds reasons are before judging him. As for bringing Rangers into the equation well thats just petty celtic mindedness and what else do we expect. Perhaps they should judge a player who turns his back on his country and plays for another like say the republic of ireland. Its just a thought.
18

jerrymanders,

12/10/2008 15:51:15
Who next from Ibronx, Capt. Baz, McShagger? At least Old SAGA legs would have a decent excuse and his departure would be welcomed, by all.
19

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 15:56:22
#25 i think its very fair to bring rangers into this as at the moment thats the reason boyd wasnt played by burley as he wasnt playing for his club..the parasites in the media s response is also so obviously bias that it is shocking,..oh well long may miller and jcd be the strikeforce at ibrox
20

FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:07:14
#27 You allow your anti Rangers bias to blinker any reasoned arguement. You mention parasites in the media. Both sides of the old firm do rather well from all of these journalists and of course there are some who favour one side more than the other but I'm sure you and your celtic friends could tell us who they are and what school they went to etc. Get a life my friend.
21

obligor,

12/10/2008 16:10:48
Boyd must never be allowed to kick another ball for Scotland,no matter who the manager is.

Managers pick the team not greetin faced players.

22

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:12:13
#29 and theres your problem gerryfan...no attempt to explain why smith can leave boyd out against st mirren lose and not be given any hassle about not playing boyd..burley does the same (draws) and is blasted by the parasites in the media...whats your take on that..
also did you know jjb are not paying rangers just now...pretty big story..except in the scottish media...xxx
one last point anyone using these boards cannot say "get a life my friend" with a straight face surely x
23

Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 12/10/2008 16:17:53
Dissappointing news.

Can understand Boyd's viewpoint, his goal per game average beats any Scottish striker hands down, but this seems a little rash.

Interesting that he has played more games this season than Darren Fletcher.
24

obligor,

12/10/2008 16:18:42
Lets play at guessing who the next Rearrangerz player`ll be to retire from international football.

I think it`ll be The Camel.

The penny will have just dropped with Kirkie-The-Camel that Burley told the truth about him as well,giving him just the pretence excuse he needs.

Sad.
Aren`t they.
25

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:19:31
hows this for research from the sadly chronic bbc site

"He has only scored 57 goals from open play for Rangers in 115 games. Scott McDonald has scored 32 goals from open play for Celtic in 60 games. 17 of Boyds 74 goals have come from the penalty spot and 2 of McDonalds.

14 of Boyd Rangers goals have come against Partick Thistle, Livingston, East Fife, East Stirling and Dunfermline all lower League teams. McDonald has scored 2 of his goals against Lower League teams, Dundee and Stirling.

Boyd has scored two goals in Europe in 17 games, a Penalty against Livorno and a goal against Hapoel. McDonald has scored two goals in the Champions League from 12 games against AC Milan and Spartak Moscow.

Boyd has scored 1 goal against Celtic whilst McDonald has scored 4 against Rangers since playing in the SPL. In Old Firm games Boyd's record is 1 goal in 4, McDonalds is 2 goals in 3.

If you take away penalties and goals against lower League teams Boyd has scored average or below for an Old Firm striker. His record would look a lot worse had he ever played in European games or Old Firm games.

Unlike a REAL GOOD STRIKER Boyd plays in all the diddy games and gets left out the big games. To anyone that ever says look at his record, give the guys a slap and say look who he has played against and look who he's not.

On average if Kris Boyd like a REAL GOOD STRIKER was left out of diddy games where you dont want to waste him and played in European games. His record would be about 50 goals in 130 games if he wasnt the penalty taker he wouldn't even be out the 40s!

His so called "record" is built with the bricks and mortar of penalties and goals against teams that your Granny could score against playing as a striker for the Old Firm.

THIS IS ALL TRUE AND FACT AND IT IS INDEED THE REASON WHY NO MANAGER EVER PLAYS HIM AGAINST ANY TEAM WITH A HALF DECENT DEFENCE!"

at least we now know why walter and george dont rate him xxx

26

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 16:23:16
The French FA refused to sanction the retirment of Claude Makalele, enforcing his attendance at National Squads.

They would invoke the rule which stated that they could not play for their clubs if they did not show up for national duty.

Over to you Gordon Smith.

27

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 16:26:01
Big Boydies punishment should be his enforced attendance....and a permanent seat on the bench.

What a picture his big fat greetin' growly face would be.

Gaun yersel' SFA....geez a laugh!
28

obligor,

12/10/2008 16:26:51

Then the next Rearrangerz player to hand in his Scotland Team notice will be...ehr...emmm...

...over to you "Walter".

Go on tell us...come on,at least geez a clue..

Using my predictor brain I`m going for big Weirisome on account that he wants to concentrate playing at Ibrox over the next six years.

Rearrangerz fanz`ll be delighted.

Not half.


29

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 16:27:27
an amendment to #35...keech, I forgot he doesn`t play for his club anyway...but they should still do it!
30

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:31:24
i suppose boyd etc had experience in getting rid of a manager they didnt like...backed by the media burley doesnt have a chance against the parasites favoured ones xxx
31

FAN OF GERRY,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:33:33
You are being very selective here. Smith was critisised last week by both the fans and the media, certainly in the paper I read. The decision yesterday, not to play Boyd, or at least bring him on when chasing the game, deserves critisism in my opinion. But thats For Burley to decide and he's the manager. He'll succeed or fail with his decisions.
As I've said previously I'll wait to hear the facts behind his decision before judging Boyd. I've read recently other players reasons for turning their back on their country, something to do with their grandfather. Any comment?
32

I.J,

The Diggers 12/10/2008 16:34:12
Boyd can go **** himself.
33

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 16:35:18
#41...or the Republic Of Ireland having a better scouting system and getting to the players first.

34

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 16:35:41
42 is for 40...of course
35

FAN OF GERRY,

12/10/2008 16:36:03
#34 To come up with all that you could only be a celtic fan. Typical that so much effort goes into so little. Sad really.
36

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:39:58
#40 im not being selective ..give me a link to your paper that gave smith even a fraction of the guff directed at burley today..(and omigod tomorow..)
i take it you are meaning mcgeady and mccarthy..mageady is shown in a documentary when he was very young saying he felt more irish and has decided to play for the republic..mccarthy i dont know...neither have the same sort of immature bigheadedness of a player who thinks he is much better than he really is..but its good to know you rangers fans will be giving him the same bile as you reserve for other players who have turned their back on scotland ..(i wont even mention managers !!!)
37

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 16:41:37
#44 - its called the truth...yourself and the Scottish Media could do with a taste of it from time to time.

I assume that you mean McGeady here? Its well known that the SFA missed out and the Irish FA wooed him and his family. Ditto with the boy McCarthy at Hamilton (nout to do with Celtic that one).

Whats your take on the boy who came through the ranks at ReaRangers and chose to play for NI (McLean??)

38

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:42:18
#44 gerry its your get a life syndrome..post ~34 is terrific...only a sad soul on a football messageboard could find out those stats..our parasitical mrdia would never bother..you still havent indicated if you know about jjb not paying rangers...maybe your paper didnt mention it...xxx
39

FAN OF GERRY,

12/10/2008 16:44:26
#42 Surely as a proud Scot you would exhaust every avenue to play for your country before jumping ship.
Especially when there have been further opportunities to rectify the situation.

40

obligor,

12/10/2008 16:45:37
#35 Survivor

If that is a ruling open to the SFA then they must use it.

Different if a player has genuine resons for chuckin it,but simply because the manager thinks you`re not good enough is just not acceptable.

The SFA employ George,and they must show that they are right behind him giving him whatever backing is necessary.

So the least the SFA should do is prevent "Walter" from picking Boyd to sit on the Rearrangerz bench.

41

xtrme,

12/10/2008 16:46:27
Better off with out the little c un t!!!
42

obligor,

12/10/2008 16:52:15
"Walter" will be raging that Boyd has thrown in his Scotland towel.

"Walter" has been trying to be shot of Boyd for just over a year now.

Boyds pettiness and childishness only shows potential interested parties that Boyd is probably better left to fester on "Walters" bench of subs.

Sad.
Isn`t it.


43

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 16:54:08
#48....speaking personally, then yes, however these are individual decisions made by the people concerned.

Remember, all the Irish FA are doing is exploiting a rule endorsed by FIFA. Their scouting network goes further than the one used by the SFA.

For 2 small countries who have people amongst their biggest export, The Irish have continually tried to get in first with players who are eligible.

Problem for the SFA is that they maintain the arrogant stance of "oh, but of course they'll play for Scotland...we'll just sit here and do he-haw and then do things in our own time.". Then they've been too late.

There needs to be an acceptance in Scotland that their are groups of individuals who understand that their roots are not just in Scotland.

If the SFA sit back and let these players be approached by FA's of the countries which they have an affinity to, then they cannot complain if they lose out on the player.

Can they?
44

dsm68,

glasgow 12/10/2008 16:59:47
cant blame him, burley is a joke, how can he play 2 guys up front with no international experience or goals and who have never played a competitive game for thier country or a friendly together yet over looks the best striker in a box this country has had for years. how many times does a guy have to be slapped before he reacts? im for boyd and sod burley, just a pity scotland lose out. sad though the mindless bigots on here have to get personal. go join the the sun or the daily sport where your thoughts would be better read alongside the other sash wearers or tricolour waving tw*ts
45

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 17:02:45
Obligor - found this from FIFA articles:

"A player who has been called up by his association for one of its
representative teams is, unless otherwise agreed by the relevant
association, not entitled to play for the club with which he is registered
during the period for which he has been released or should have been
released pursuant to the provisions of this annexe. This restriction on
playing for the club shall, moreover, be prolonged by five days in the
event that the player, for whatsoever reason, did not wish to or was
unable to comply with the call-up."

Let's see the SFA show some cajones here
46

FAN OF GERRY,

12/10/2008 17:03:57
#53 I agree. The initial problem here was,as I said earlier, the SOS making a big mistake in opening up this story for the same old morons to come on with same old bile.
I'm off now to read some intelligent stories, goodbye.
47

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 17:09:47
#55 try this one. WWW.Beano.Com
48

Waspy100,

12/10/2008 17:10:20
#28
Class players??
Do we have any?
49

Webbie,

mullingar 12/10/2008 17:13:15
Boyd isn't Scotlands best striker, even his club manager doesn't think he's the best at Ibrox but now he doesn't need an excuse to pull out of playing for his country....unlike his fellow rangers players who are always looking for any excuse not to play for Scotland.

A Morton fan
50

Monty_1,

DXB 12/10/2008 17:21:08
Boyd is just standing up for himself - i'm not supporting what he has chosen to do but i wont condemn him for it ...he is by far and away the best goal scoring Scotland has produced in a long time yet gets shunned because he doesnt run around the pitch trying to make himself look good in the eyes of a bunch of numpties who think thats what it takes to be a good player. Burley got it SO VERY wrong by not putting him on, but then Burley did a shed load wrong yesterday and should be hanging his head at how pathetic both his selection and tactics were.



I'm usually a stern supporter of Scottish managers, regardless of results - and yes that even included McVogts (at least he finally got shot of the dead wood and ushered in younger players) but Burley has put us back 3-4 years and thats 3-4 years that we cant afford.


2010 - Just another tournament that Scotland wont be gracing
51

jerrymanders,

12/10/2008 17:34:28
#34

Great piece of work.

Unlike Boyd the nasty piece of work (who didn't have the guts to say it to Burleys face - left a message on the answer machine - and then went running to the media). If he had any credit why did Boydchenko not wait until tomorrow and call a press conference?
52

obligor,

12/10/2008 17:50:02
#58

Of course you are correct, Morton fan.

The good thing here is that the whole of Scotland is beginning to see and witness first hand Rearrangerz playerz,under the guidance of "Walter",attitudes and lack of respect towards Scotland and our national team.

No one can be surprised.
Can they.

53

Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 12/10/2008 17:53:17
Darren Fletcher: 2008/2009 club appearances 8
Burley's view - "he has established himself as a regular player"

Kris Boyd: 2008/2009 club appearances 8
Burley's view - "Kris has got to establish himself in the Rangers team, which he hasn't done"
54

obligor,

12/10/2008 17:53:18


#54 Survivor.

Cheers for that.
55

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/10/2008 18:03:11
I've preached patience with regard to George Burley since he took over, and, even as a Rangers supporter, I don't intend to change now.

Without knowing the full story behind Boyd's decision, I'm a little reluctant to criticise the player, but it does seem like a petulant stance. Like any other footballer, he should knuckle down and prove himself at club level, earn a regular starting place, go on a scoring run of the type that he has showed himself capable of, and he would then give George Burley no realistic choice but to select him for a country that simply doesn't score enough goals. But to retire from playing for your country at a time when you're not even first choice at club level seems largely irrelevant.

Finally, we're all entitled to express our views, and it would be surprising if the majority of posters weren't opposed to Boyd over this decision. But the club that he plays for is surely an irrelevance given that this is an individual choice by the player. If you support another club and can honestly say, hand on heart, that you'd respond in exactly the same way if it was one of your own players, then fair enough. But if you merely want to utilise this as an excuse for another round of RFC-bashing, then it's all a little sad and bitter.
56

Pattie O'Dores,

12/10/2008 18:18:35
Boyd doesn't often start for his club side so should we expect him to refuse to play for Rangers whilst Walter Smith is in charge? After all, the circumstances are exactly the same in that both his club and international manager prefer other strikers to him.
57

Jakie Rolling,

Hogwash 12/10/2008 18:28:07
#37 Obligor

You used your predictor brain very early yesterday morning to predict "Weirisome booked, The Camel red carded."

Not a very good brain.

Is it?

58

The barfly,

Orkney 12/10/2008 18:32:59
Good on you Mr Boyd you have suddenly woken up your not required, it,s not your ball so if you go home we will stay manage to play and it saves George writing your P45 now go away and try to get into the Rangers first team.
59

jerrymanders,

12/10/2008 18:35:15
#55

Not doing a "Boydchenko" on us?
60

The barfly,

Orkney 12/10/2008 18:37:03
Oh and Mr Boyd I,m so in simpathy with you I,m going to phone George and the S.F.A. and tell them I,m not playing either but they can keep my ball/
61

Survivor Of Riots,

12/10/2008 18:45:34
#64 - BE, had it been a Celtic player involved in this and the way in which the story had broke, then yes, I would have had similar criticisms.

What is coming out is that the player called George Burley, left a message, then spoke the the SFA Chief Exec and then went to the media.

I would have hoped that a Celtic player would have included the club in the commuication process. Also, kept their own counsel until the manager himself had a chance to deal with the issue.

If the relationship is broken irrepairably, then its game over and everyone moves on....the manager should receive the full support as always in regards to his team selection.

On the back of Lee McCulloch's retirment, Ferguson trying to pick the captain from the sidelines and now Boyd making decisions on the hoof, there does seem to be a theme running here.


62

Helter Skelter,

12/10/2008 18:52:47
Boyd is just being a prat. He isn't half as good as he thinks he is. There is an excellent post above where someone has put Boyd's scoring record under the microscope, and goals against lower league sides aside, a very unremarkable tally emerges.

At best, he is average for an old firm striker and perhaps a bit below that...the fact that he has managed the grand total of 1 goal against Celtic provides a very telling story about Boyd's capabilities when faced with a quality side.

But this is just the latest incident in a series of gestures of ill-will coming from within ibrox towards the sfa.
There were rumblings towards the end of last seasons that continued over the summer and it's only been a few weeks since McULLOCH threw his rattle out of the pram.

Cap'n unbookable will be back within the next few weeks and it will be interesting to see how things go.

63

Pistol Pete,

12/10/2008 19:03:59
close the door behind you Boyd and by the way you are pi--.
64

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 19:27:47
Bemused describes Boys as petulant and Helter Skelter labels him a prat and both probably best sum it up.

Boyd is a decent finisher at a certain level but until he "knuckles down" and sorts himself out re his fitness and overall professionalism then even his biggest fans will have to concede WS is right in not giving him an automatic start every week.
65

arabdave,

12/10/2008 19:34:48
yet another overpaid nancy boy,doesnt want to play for his country,these scum footballers dont have a clue as to what football means to our nation,good ridance to yet another who has done nothing internationaly,yet seems to think he is a class act......gooodbye loser.missed not!!!!
66

Upandunder,

12/10/2008 19:36:06
I'm no Rangers fan but I can't blame the lad.

Sitting on the bench as a striker when your team is drawing 0-0 in a game that HAS to be won is taking the p*ss. He could have got at least the last 15 mins.

We simply have to face fact we are not a major player on the European stage anymore.

Gone are the days when Liverpool, Leeds, United, Old Firm, Dons, Forest etc were all winning trophies in Europe with Scots the calibre of Dalglish, Robertson, Greig, McNeill, Jordan, Strachan, etc etc etc in key positions. Barely one current Scotland player would get in any of the 60s/70s/80s EC/ECWC/Uefa winning sides.
67

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 12/10/2008 19:39:03
the media side has started ..radio scotlands news has billy dodds..sticking up for his pal who he was on the phone to this morning..he apparantly talks to "boydy" alot..we have all to feel sorry for him..it was a difficult decision..but the "type of player being brought in" and boydy no getting a game meant he had to make this decision..but he'll come back stronger...all cuertesy of a neutral bbc pundit....wee parasite..
68

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 19:40:14
75

So what about the other subs or even the players who didnt merit being in the squad?

Why does Boyd feel he is good enough to play for his country when he cant get a game for his club?

The guy only has himself to blame as he has now had a couple of years now to 'fix' his issues with diet and training.
IMHO in years to come this fella will have huge regrets about what might have been and i think many bears agree with that.
69

Ally,

London 12/10/2008 19:43:11
73 - couldn't disagree more. Boyd guys scores goals better than anyone else at Ibrox, end of story. Frankly, he could take a book out with him to read if he scored regularly.

His decision on Scotland, however, is completely and utterly wrong and I wish he'd just slept on it. If he'd woken up this morning having done nothing, Burley would have had overwhelming pressure on him to include him every time, particularly given the "contribution" of the guys he put on instead. As it is I think he's probably already regretting it but it's going to be very difficult for him to go back.

No.71 - "Captain Unbookable"? Love it. This coming from a Celtic supporter whose team would have been 6 points worse off at this stage had the ref not made catastrophic errors in Celtic's favour every week for the first month of the season.
70

Upandunder,

12/10/2008 19:44:43
77. Fair point - he's hardly covered himself in glory.

Perhaps we should coach Chris Paterson to kick the ball under the crossbar as effectively as he kicks it over and goalscoring's solved.

I've lost all confidence in the national football side. And after Glasgow & Edinburgh's shambles in the Heineken Cup the rugby's looking grimmer than ever.

Something really drastic has to happen as a nationwide level if Scottish sport isn't going to fall down the toilet.
71

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 19:47:42
78 Ally

Ok, we disagree but my view is shared by Boyds current manager who knows his worth to the team versus his limitations way better than either of 2 eejits.
72

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 19:48:55
Lets not make this a flipping CFC/RFC thing.

The guy is a twit for announcing his retirement from international football and we all know that
73

James,,

12/10/2008 19:51:31
Boyd is a great finisher, but that's not enough at international level, where his lack of athleticism means he will always struggle.

If Boyd had been put on yesterday, who knows if he would have got a sniff of a chance?

Before Iwelumo came on, Scotland were creating nothing. What he provided was an ability to win the ball, hold it and lay it off effectively. Only when Iwelumo came on did Scotland have any decent possession in advanced areas.

Sure Boyd would no doubt have put away the chance Iwelumo missed, but if he'd been put on instead, it's doubtful we would even have created the chance.
74

The barfly,

Orkney 12/10/2008 19:54:52
SORRY BAR TIME CONVERSATION BASED ON YOU '[BAR Takings down] Mr Boyd you will soon be part of this culture. Have
you thoght of Iceland, not the Banking fiasco or the football team, but the shop. Job going here , night shift shelf stacker, right up your street.
75

Upandunder,

12/10/2008 19:58:17
People will slate Iwelumo for miss and rightly so, but as 82 says he did at least give us more presence.

But I think its shows how far we've fallen as a nation that we're reduced to regularly fielding players from England's second tier. We're as bad as Wales, Azerbaijan, Iceland, etc now.

Scottish football needs a complete rethink right from coaching at boys level upwards.
76

nineinro,

12/10/2008 20:03:09
Evening all
77

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 20:09:09
84

"Scottish football needs a complete rethink right from coaching at boys level upwards"

100% spot on but what chance of it happening?
78

Novafone,

12/10/2008 20:22:19
Cheers Kris. Good to see you placing your country ahead of personal interests. You need reminding that football is a team game. Scotland is better off without traitors like you and Lee. We'll file you in the same category as another muppet named Duncan Ferguson.
79

nineinro,

12/10/2008 20:26:48
84
I think that the set up for kids is very good and much better than when I was a kid ... I played on red Blaze 11 a side with full size goals at 10 years of age and now we have lots of community coaching along with 7 a side leagues at various levels of ability ... what do you suggest?
80

KelsoKillie,

12/10/2008 20:39:17
Some interesting comments - especially 72,75 and 82. However, I can feel for Boyd. He's obviously so frustrated that in the one scenario which he should be ideal for, he isn't brought on. If you can't give your all, including in training, you shouldn't accept an invitation to be part of a team. Do you think he could give his all in future training sessions knowing that in reality, he's just making up the numbers?

He's not turning his back on Scotland, just saying he couldn't do his best under Burley - and I can't say I blame him.

If Chris had scored instead of missed, then we could give Burley the benefit of the doubt as to his tactics and choice of players. But Burley deserves a fair bit of stick for Scotland's poor performance with much the same group of players available to him (if he would pick them) that Smith and McLeish had. I felt he was the best of the candidates when he was chosen, but now I feel Burley's contract should be amended to read "If Scotland haven't qualified for the World Cup then you must resign as soon as Jim Jeffries finishes his contract with Kilmarnock"

We can still be second in the group - but it is looking less and less likely.
81

Talk o' the Toun,

12/10/2008 20:39:59
#88 agree; ffs we drew with Norway / Boyd throws his toys out the pram & it must be the down to the youth structure.
82

The barfly,

Orkney 12/10/2008 20:54:15
Mr Boyd were you breast fed? If yes you are a cannibal.
83

Novafone,

12/10/2008 20:56:38
#89

Never read such rubbish. Were Scotland really that bad yesterday? At least we had a go in the second half and how do you know Boyd would have even got himself into the position Iwelumo took up?

In fact, the substitutions preceded Scotland's best spell of the game, in a large part due to the introduction of Iwelumo as a target man who won a number of balls in the air and a mobile forward with pace in Stephen Fletcher. The reason we were so blunt in the first half is because we had no physical presence or real pace up front.

As for what you say about Boyd's attitude, I find it demeaning to the national jersey and completely against what selection for your country actually means. It's meant to be an honour to even make the squad and if you have to sit on the bench till you get your chance so be it.

Finally, Burley has not had the same squad of players to choose from, with Hutton and Ferguson both major losses to the squad. The experience of Miller would also have helped in the first half yesterday, while Commons had shown he's a useful asset after the first two games.
84

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/10/2008 20:59:15
It's certainly possible to see both sides of this argument. The manager should be able to pick the best players for the job without fear of those who are left out spitting their dummies out of the pram and refusing to play anymore.

But if I were Boyd, I'd certainly be reaching the end of my tether. There are only so many rejections that you can take before you react, and it seems that the last three Scotland managers (all RFC men, apparently) have failed to be sufficiently convinced by what he brings to the table.

These three wise men, it goes without saying, all know the game far better than me, but that doesn't prevent me from having an opinion, and I do think that Boyd should be regularly playing for his country, particularly at home where he'd have more support up front. Burley's hand is somewhat forced by WS's attitude to the player, but I doubt that he would leave out a Fletcher or McFadden even if they were struggling to convince their club managers (which they actually do to a point).

It seems only a couple of years ago since Boyd showed that he could make the step up from Kilmarnock to Rangers, and at that same time Hibs had the forty-plus goals a season partnership of Riordan and O'Connor looking like they could become something very special. Scotland's strike force seemed sorted for the next decade, but all three players have failed to make the expected progress, despite playing under good Scottish managers at club level.

It's unlikely to be coincidence, and I fear that there is something missing in the psychological make-up of 21st Century players in our country.
85

nineinro,

12/10/2008 21:00:41
89
Do you think JJ would play Boyd if he were in charge?
86

nineinro,

12/10/2008 21:04:27
93
Good post ... molly coddled?
87

jerrymanders,

12/10/2008 21:12:23
#89 "He's not turning his back on Scotland, just saying he couldn't do his best under Burley"

But Burley is The Scotland Manager. So Boyd doesn't do his best depending upon manager, for his Nation, and unless he likes him? He is a deserter. Boyd cannot get a regular game for Rfc at the moment and yet he thinks he can pick and choose which Scotland Manager he will "do his best for"? The Campaign is not over yet. He and his commrades are not finished yet. There is still a chance. He has deserted his post and should suffer the consequences. Hell mend him.
88

Helter Skelter,

12/10/2008 21:13:17
In terms of the FIFA rules, Boyd can only withdraw with the consent of Burley otherwise the sfa can insist on his being dropped for club matches for a certain number of days after each scotland match.

So, he has been thoughtless to say the least. It is within Burley's power to make life extremely difficult for Boyd.

Interesting times ahead. Will the sfa stand up to rearrangerz ? My instinct tells me that they will be true to form and brush the whole thing under the carpet...it's not enough to say ' well, I wasn't going to play him anyway so why rock the boat with rearrangerz?'.
That just won't do, because the next thing others might say the same thing and then Burley's hands are tied.

Burley I think on principle has to make an example of Boyd. If he genuinely wants to include Boyd in his squad, he should call him up, and if Boyd fails to turn up , disciplinary action should be taken.
89

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/10/2008 21:22:32
My disdain for Boyd's decision is documented, but the above post is a nonsense.

We don't live in a dictatorship or under a communist regime. We live in a democracy, and if a footballer doesn't want to make his services available for his national team, then he is perfectly within his rights to withdraw them.
90

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 21:33:33
Bemused

Yes, we are not living in a dictatorship and Boyd is free to make the decision he has made but he dereves ridicule just in the same way as if a young fella in the under 12's had also decided he would not play for the team in the future since he wasnt getting a game currently.

Dailyman (4) called it right with;

"As a professional he should have kept his mouth shut and just got on with things wait to be selected for the national side, rammed home a couple of goals to show Burley what he brings to the side.

Very poor attitude by a spoiled immature boy."
91

obligor,

12/10/2008 21:35:42
Murray Park,9.30 a.m. the morra mornin,in The Man With No Surnames office ;



"Walter; Why did you turn your back on your country,Boyd?

Boyd; The manager widnae gee me a gemme,he kept me on the bench "Walter".He`s an utter narse. He thinks `av still tae prove masel at club level.

"Walter"; Hmmm,did he now.

Just wondered.



92

BEMUSED EXILE,

12/10/2008 21:42:11
Bosco.

No argument with any of that. It's not the point that #97 is making however.

Boyd has done next to nothing for Scotland in the past. You can choose to blame the player for that, or you can choose to blame a succession of managers for refusing to show faith in him. Either way, we'll possibly never miss what we never really used in the first place.

But the whole argument of the SFA "punishing" Boyd and "standing up" to Rangers is just the usual OF nonsense from one of the site's biggest sh*tstirrers.
93

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 21:52:06
106

Plus, by the looks of it--free pies!
94

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 21:54:16
Bemused

This situation with Boyd and Burley has nothing at all to do with RFC and im sure the smart bears out there like yourself and Dailyman can now empathise with WS just a bit more with his decision not to play him on a regular basis for Rangers.
95

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 21:58:30
The thing with Boyd is how much could he add to his game if he could only get himself into a shape that sort of resembles a profesional athlete.

Could he add 20-30% to his allround game if he lost a stone and got a yeard quicker?

Sort of sickens punters like myself that arrogant lazy prats like him and Hartson ( just thought id throw him in to balance it out and all ) can short change fans who make them very rich.
96

Bosco Bhoy,

12/10/2008 22:03:15
110

What is tantrum boy gonna pull the same stunt with his beloved RFC?