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SNP rebellion over under-21s drink ban



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Published Date: 12 October 2008
ALEX Salmond will suffer an embarrassing rebellion at the SNP party conference this week over his controversial plan to stop under-21s buying alcohol in off-licences.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that activists opposed to the ban will force a vote on the floor of the conference, urging their colleagues to scrap the plan.

The rebellion is believed to have significant backing and, if successful, would amount to
a serious political blow to the First Minister and Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill. Both believe the under-21 ban would reduce binge drinking and cut crime. The plan was rejected by the Scottish Parliament two weeks ago after the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems all united to oppose the move.

Salmond and MacAskill have vowed to plough ahead. Under their plans, the age limit of buying a drink in a pub or restaurant would remain at 18, but people would have to be 21 before being able to buy alcohol in an off- licence or a supermarket. But if they lose the conference vote, the policy will be buried for good.

Scotland on Sunday has obtained a leaked copy of the official party agenda due to be handed out to the conference, which begins in Perth on Thursday. It shows that the group Young Scots for Independence have forced the matter into the open.

In an amendment to a motion on alcohol abuse, they urge the conference to agree that "proposals to amend legislation that would increase the age of purchase for alcohol in supermarkets and off-licences will do little to tackle the real problem with Scotland's relationship with the bottle".

SNP sources said the fact the amendment had been accepted onto the party's official conference agenda was itself significant. One senior SNP figure said: "It's very interesting that they have let it go through. The point is that this under-21 ban has never been put to the party. It was just landed on people by Kenny MacAskill. I think people want to have their say on it because it isn't party policy."

Another party member said: "Alex Salmond and Kenny MacAskill have stirred up a hornet's nest. This was dreamt up as a populist policy and they have been surprised by the sheer ferocity of the opposition to it. They are in great danger of shooting themselves in the foot."

Tom French, coordinator of the Coalition Against Raising the Drinking Age in Scotland, said: "We call upon the SNP conference to avoid the temptation to simply act as loyal lap dogs to the leadership, and instead make an independent judgment based upon the evidence."

However, Shona Robison, the Public Health Minister, said: "We believe raising the off-sales purchase age would cut the level of uncontrolled, open-air and home drinking which we know can result in anti-social behaviour."

As well as being opposed by the Scottish Parliament, it emerged last week that the plan is not supported by the Scottish police, who have written to the Scottish Government warning that the move will be ineffective, and that it risked "demonising and alienating perfectly law-abiding 18 to 20-year-olds".

Labour's justice spokesman Richard Baker said: "It's time for the SNP to drop this daft policy and start working with other parties on workable solutions to Scotland's alcohol problems."



The full article contains 561 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 11 October 2008 9:43 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 03:03:38


"ALEX Salmond will suffer an embarrassing rebellion at the SNP party conference this week over his controversial plan to stop under-21s buying alcohol in off-licences."

..'BRILLIANT, ABSOLUTLY, BRILLIANT'!!


What a Stupid Proposal, in the first place!

AND! One that Will Do irreputable Damage for the SNP Party!

The SNP, Had a Very Good Chance, First Time Ever, to fun Scotland!

Because they decided to become 'Dictators' they have blown-it!

We ain't Daft, WE WONT BE DICTATED TOO!!

YOU HAVE PUT THE NAIL'S, IN YOUR OWN COFFIN!

WHY,?

The SNP will be,..'History' after this performance!
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 03:07:21

#1, re: error, "to fun Scotland!"

Should read,..'to Run Scotland'
3

Guga II,

Rockall 12/10/2008 10:08:13
Kenny MacAskill is a total waste of space, and wee Eck should get rid of him before he does any more damage to the SNP with his residual New Labour ideology.
4

Linda,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 10:08:13
Copied from ColBlimpIV

MR JIM MURPHY AND THE NATIONAL UNION OF STUDENTS
12.06.1996


Livingstone, Ken

That this House condemns the intolerant and dictatorial behaviour of the President of the National Union of Students, Mr Jim Murphy, who has unconstitutionally suspended NUS Vice President, Clive Lewis, because he took part, in a personal capacity, in an open debate at Queen Mary and Westfield College on the issues raised by the Campaign for Free Education; further notes that along with President Elect, Douglas Trainer, both men have warned NUS Executive member, Rose Woods, that if she attends the Scottish launch of the Campaign for Free Education she too will be suspended from the NUS Executive; reminds Mr Murphy and Mr Trainer that freedom of speech is a right in the United Kingdom, that they have no power to overturn the results of elections that went against their preferred candidates and that, whilst these methods are a common practice in dictatorships around the world, they are not acceptable behaviour from someone such as Mr Murphy who is putting himself forward as suitable for election to the House of Commons.
5

Pat Scot,

12/10/2008 10:23:35
"it isn't party policy" kind of says it all. Can someone please get this numpty in line, before he causes some damage.


6

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

12/10/2008 10:51:46


Where are the opposition parties alternative ideas to tackling this menace that blights many of our communities?

Are they seriously courting the student vote in order to sell ordinary people down the swanny with this?

7

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 12/10/2008 12:40:39
Salmond will now drop this like a hot potato thats for sure but let no one be mistaken, the SNP leadership is out of touch with reality in more ways than one, be it the economy, climate change, education, policing, NHS priorities etc
8

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 16:04:50
"....serious political blow to the First Minister and Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill." ?

I hardly think so Mr Barnes. Perhaps you haven't heard of this new concept in politics, it's called democracy.

It works like this, someone gets an idea, tries to persuade others of the value of that idea, believes in the idea therefore pushes it for all it's worth, but then finds the majority, or a sizeable number of his colleagues think he's on the wrong track.

So unless he has a God complex he won't mind being proved wrong (not that the majority are always right of course), in which case he will take further soundings and rethink his position.

No sweat Mr Barnes, don't let yourself get so worked up.
9

Itchy,

12/10/2008 16:39:00
#6 These proposals deserve to lose. They are a Stalinist attempt to nationalize the drinks industry.
10

ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 12/10/2008 16:42:22
Where's the money? Who benefits with the age remaining at 21? The 21 to 18 crowd will still get drinks, no change.
11

Media 1,

cape town 12/10/2008 17:23:59
Salmond is not a good politician, if truth be told he is mediocre at best - but in this regard I agree with him.
What is wrong with making the drinking age 21?

It cant hurt, so why not try it?
12

danielrober,

12/10/2008 17:29:02
Glad to see the SNP rebelling against this 'bore law'. It shows that the SNP still have lot of people who have not lost the plot.
13

Patrick O'Reilly,

Coatbridge 12/10/2008 18:17:56
Salmond = oaf.
14

Vincent-W,

12/10/2008 19:21:39
Media 1 - I'm sure there are thousands of examples of things that "can't hurt" - it doesn't mean that passing legislation stopping any one of those things is a good idea to try.

In this instance the majority of MSPs disagreed with him and, I suspect, the majority of the electorate.

Sorry, chummy, I vehementally disagree with you that wasting valuable parliamentary time passing legislation because 'it can't hurt' can be anything othr than a waste of time.

I must say that is one of the most ludicrous suggestions I've heard from you - and that's really some achievement!

15

Maurice,

12/10/2008 21:38:44
It doesnt matter what age one can drink at in Scotland. Here the booze is expensive, weaker than elsewhere (eg Brandy at 38 %/vol where elsewhere is 43%) This is a cultural problem with the brits in general not being able to behave civilly whilst pissed. The problem is culturally far deeeper than at what age one buys the drink. Part of it may be that they need to lose the attitude they are better than the rest of the world and realise that their excrement smells as bad as everyone elses
16

Legacy,

12/10/2008 23:53:54
The SNP needs to make sure the current legislation concerning under age drinking is strictly enforced by off-licenses and drinking establishments, instead of more layers of antiquated regulation, not needed.
How daft their proposed regulation is, I only need cite one example, where the Squaddie who has been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan or wherever, on coming home, cannot buy Alchohol from an off-license, what is that but a draconian retrograde step for the 21st Century.
What other wonderous 'gems' are in the pipeline?
A 'Puritanical' Scotland perhaps, just when we were lifting our eyes to 'Freedom' beginning to think that it was safe to go back into the water, we have to contend with another load of sharks waiting in the deep depths, to drag us from 2008 back to the deep depths of Victorian Values, they are not on.
Is this latest proposed legislation just the tip of the SNP 'Puritanical State' Iceberg?
What next I say?
*
Onward and Upward, we don't need retrograde legislation in any shape or form, this is the 21st Century not the 19th.
17

Legacy,

12/10/2008 23:59:55
#1. 'Fun' read better (-:
18

Vincent-W,

13/10/2008 09:21:14
Maurice,

The strength issue is peculiar to the UK becasue of the high excise duty on spirits. The duty level is roughly £20 per litre of pure alcohol or £5.60 on a 70cl bottle at 40% ABV.

Dropping the strength from 43% to 38% means that the bottle costs 70 pence less. You will find these strength reductions are gennerally confined to the cheaper, more price sensitive end of the market.

You should sample the subtle delights of white ciders. These are uniquely produced for the UK market using the cheapest possible ingredients and manufacturing methods. They have as much in common with real cider as lard has with butter. (it has some apple 'flavour' but the alcohol is actually fermented from the cheapest grain available). They exploit a lack of tight definitions of cider and a 'gap' in the alcohol excise duty bands. It means that a unit of white cider alcohol costs less than 17 pence compared to 30 pence for Glens Vodka or about £1 if you drink in pubs. That is you can get pie eyed for less!

It is a uniquely British beverage because it fits our drinking culture.

 

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