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Published Date: 20 July 2008
ALEX Salmond was facing fresh allegations of cronyism last night after it emerged that a company to which his Government handed £215,000 of public funds was created with help from his party.
Legal documents establishing the Scottish Islamic Foundation (SIF) as a company were witnessed by a member of the SNP's staff at the party's Glasgow head office.

The papers relate to SIF's application to be set up as a company in May of this year.
As part of the process of incorporating a company, a director must sign a form to confirm that all details are present and correct.

This document – 'the declaration on application of registration' – was signed at 50 Wellington Street, the same office which contains the SNP Glasgow HQ.

The document was then formally witnessed by Calum MacLeod, an SNP solicitor.

The new revelations over the company's close ties to the SNP come after leading Muslim figures in Glasgow publicly claimed last week that the SIF had received special treatment from the Scottish Government.

In March, the Scottish Islamic Foundation received a £215,000 grant from SNP ministers to fund a major 'IslamFest' event next year being organised by the group, and to pay for its offices in Glasgow.

The general secretary of the Glasgow Islamic Mosque, Dr Shafi Kauser, said: "This is about scratching their own backs."

Mohammed Asif of the Scottish Afghan Society added: "The First Minister is just helping his own members."

The company is being run by chief executive Osama Saeed, a former researcher for the First Minister, and an SNP member who is fighting to become an SNP MP in the Glasgow Central constituency.

Saeed is campaigning to win support within Glasgow Central's large Muslim population. He intends the publicly funded Scottish Islamic Foundation to be "a platform" for the views of Muslims.

But an executive member of the Glasgow Mosque, Ghulam Rabbani, added to the Muslim voices in Glasgow opposing the funding package last night. "Nobody knows this organisation (SIF] in the Muslim community," he said. "I think they have got money because he was employed by Alex Salmond."

Meanwhile, opposition party members who had appeared to back SIF have started to express concerns at the arrangement.

Labour MSP Pauline McNeill attended the launch of SIF last month and has been used to claim the SIF has cross-party support. She said: "I attended the launch of the SIF along with the other political parties and church leaders and we were asked to say a few words. But speaking at an event is not an endorsement of the Government's recent decision to fund SIF and not other organisations established in the field. Ministers need to explain why this decision is appropriate."

David Mundell, shadow Scottish secretary, added: "Whilst we are very supportive of the principle of this sort of enterprise, concerns have been raised with us about the organisation."

However, the Scottish Government hit back last night, insisting the funding for the SIF was made "after the normal process of value for money evaluation".

The spokesman added: "This remains a non-story. The important thing is that IslamFest will be a fantastic cultural as well as commercial opportunity for Scotland as a whole, as well as our Muslim community, carrying cross-party and indeed interfaith support.

"All funding applications to the Scottish Government are scrutinised and are considered for their match with Government priorities and assessed for their value for money."

Scottish Government sources hit back against the cronyism claims by claiming that the funding deal for the IslamFest had been agreed "in principle" by the previous Lib-Lab Scottish Executive. A source close to Salmond said: "Any attempt by opposition parties to play petty politics on this will backfire, particularly given that it was the previous administration that first agreed to provide funding for Islam Fest."

A Scottish Executive spokeswoman also confirmed that Salmond had contacted the chairman of Glasgow Central Mosque Bashir Maan last Saturday as claims began to surface that the SNP had turned them down over an application for funding.

The claims had been made by other leading figures at the mosque, including the general secretary, who told this newspaper that they had "heard nothing" from the SNP over their own application for funding, in contrast to the SIF's deal.

Subsequently, a statement in Maan's name was issued by the Scottish Government later that day in which Maan insisted that the application had not been turned down and was still live.

A spokesman for SIF pointed out that the offices of the company are at a different location. "The Form 12 witness is not an honorific position, and the location of witnessing irrelevant," he said.

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government said she could not say whether the company papers had been signed in the SNP's office, as 50 Wellington Street contains several offices.



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1

AM2,

Scotland,UK 20/07/2008 00:07:53
Even leaving aside the possible cronyism here, Alex Salmond needs to think hard about the political symbiosis which he may be allowing to develop.

Osama Saeed has written of his support for a the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate, which would absorb existing states around the world into a Shari’a “superstate”.

Reformed jihadist Ed Husain has called Osama Saeed a “bad apple” and has accused his organisation of being an “offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose members have endorsed suicide bombing”.

Tom Gallagher, the chair of peace studies at Bradford University, has described Osama Saeed as “an unapologetic advocate of the hardline Islamism” and has accused him of deceiving Scots by hiding his real agenda.
2

ThomasP,

20/07/2008 00:10:27
Innocent untill proven guilty.
3

pressure,

scotland 20/07/2008 00:14:42
this is serious stuff from the SOS - it looks like the SNp have set up an company to fund an SNP organisation to provide a platform for teh SNP to tout the muslim vote for stugeon using tax payers money. If that is the case.... that is serious stuff and someone coudl be in trouble here.
4

Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 00:15:39
As Nicol Stephen once said, there is "smell of sleaze" about the affair.
5

pressure,

scotland 20/07/2008 00:17:13
indeed innocent until proven guilty - but when the balance of evidence is against you it is now up to you to prove you are innocent - that is the way the law works. this is serious. using tax payers money for political advantage. its a criminal offence.
6

subrosa,

20/07/2008 00:21:18
Isn't this last week's news?

Come on Eddie, you can do better than this.
7

Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 00:24:28
subrosa, no this is this weeks news.

Both articles are different.

Nice try though.
8

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 00:24:38
7 Subrosa

This is a "Sunday" newspaper. Sunday comes "once" a "week", the follow up story to news broken in a Sunday paper cannot be published before the following "Sunday".

The "Sunday Newspapers" get their name from "Sunday" which is a day that has a "week" in between it.

Is there nothing you SNP drones can;t understand?
9

truthsleuth,

20/07/2008 00:25:52
Why am I not surprised.
Problem is all of the UK parties are 'supported' by suspect non British sources.
These non British sources will want their pound of flesh.
10

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20/07/2008 00:25:55
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pressure,

scotland 20/07/2008 00:28:13
also in the statement form teh SNP that it was the last executive that agreed to fund this does not ring true. In his opening speech to launch SIF which was made very recently he Saeed claimed that he only conceived of the idea to build the organisation a year ago - after the terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport - they probably agreed to fund the islamfest - but not fund the SNP!
12

Ken_Fitlike,

20/07/2008 00:28:40
1 AM2, Scotland,UK 20/07/2008 00:07:53

Welcome to AM2's Britain........

Quoting Tom Gallagher,, and espousing neo-con views, dear me .......

Narrow......
13

Fifi la Bonbon,

20/07/2008 00:37:42
"subrosa, 20/07/2008 00:21:18 - Isn't this last week's news? Come on Eddie, you can do better than this."


No, this is new. Last week's story was as much about Mr Saeed's suitability as anything else. I am glad to read that Pauline McNeil has woken up to the problem, at last - better late than never, Pauline.

This is about blatant partisanship. It does look suspiciously as if the SNP as a political party is involved in the government channelling a huge amount of public money to SNP supporters. I know that this is deeply worrying to minority ethnic organisations which applied in good faith from the funding stream in question, believing that there was an open field. Many applicants have not heard yet if their bids have been successful. Was it even worth their while applying? If it is true that ministers have earmarked this money for a favoured son, does that mean that other organisations ought not to have bothered applying? The criteria didn't say you have to be a friend or business associate of the First Minister.

Would this have happened three years ago when Malcolm Chisholm was the minister in charge of this funding stream? I don't think so.
14

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 00:45:59
How "Scottish" of the SNP. Ban nativity plays which form a play part of "Christian Fest" in December, and yet sponsor an Islam Fest with public money.

Surlely you shoudl support both or neither. But I guess Salmond needs to differentiate Scotland in the Market lest christianity be confused with being British. Perhaps he should dress Sturgeon up in a bee keeper's costume and claim that Islam is Scotland's state religion.

By the way, the bee keeper costume will get removed even though it is nothing to with Islam and your allowed to comment on women who wear shirt skirts.

Too many people scared to be impaled to the pavement by the sensitive souls at home made bomb squad.
15

BIG EYE,

Paisley 20/07/2008 00:46:27
Things are really difficult for the opposition in Scotland at the moment.

Here we have all this effort suggesting the SNP are up to some dirty tricks in helping finance this organisation and it turns out that it was the last Labour/Lib Dem adminstration that started the process!

Oh dear time to start again!
16

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 00:51:06
Did you that the SNP cut the funding of Glasgow's science festival from £1,7 million to 1.1 Million?

Less science, more Islam for our boys and girls.

The SNP are a joke, they rate Islam with higher priority than Science. How "Scottish" of them, we were once famous for being the world's leading engineers designing steam power that built America.

But its Imams for the new millenium.

LOL, you can;t write this stuff. The SNP are a joke.

All day we will see SNP drones trying to emotionally blackmailing people into keeping quiet on the cuts to science and wasteful spending on quakery and witchcraft.
17

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20/07/2008 00:55:10
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Fifi la Bonbon,

20/07/2008 00:56:55
If it is true, as "a source close to Salmond" suggests, that the Labour administration agreed to give Osama Saeed even one penny, then this huge lapse in judgement needs to be exposed and Malcolm Chisholm, the Communities Minister at the time, needs to explain himself.
19

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:20:32
Just some perspective
Alcoholics Anonymous (Office & Administration)
Amedo Adjusting Ltd
Community Health Exchange
COSLA
Cook & Co Accountants
D Small Ltd
Glasgow Diet Centre
Hall Aitken Associates Ltd
Hotel & Catering Training Co Ltd
Inksters Solicitors
Lisa Melvin Beauty Salons
Public & Commercial Services Union
Scotia Energy Ltd
Scottish Bowling Association
Scottish Community Development Centre
Serious Facilties Ltd
Steel Robertson & Co Accountants
Wellington Insurance Services Ltd
World Bowls

As well as the Scottish National Party

All at Baltic Chambers, 50 Wellington Street Glasgow


Think the so called jouranlist is once again taking a Labour breifing and not actually checking to see who else has offices at 50 Wellington Street.
Its noted that at least one union and COSL have offices there as well as accountants and solicitors
20

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:33:29
#13 Fifi la Bonbon
Actually it IS last weeks news
'Salmond hit by 'cash for cronies' row
Published Date: 13 July 2008
By Eddie Barnes
Seems as if Eddie Barnes likes to regurgitate the same Labour breifing on a weekly basis!

Labour are up to their usual dirty tricks in trying to smear anthing associated with the SNP, even if its organisations that receive funding from the Scottish Government
21

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 01:37:01
No one should rush to judgement of anyone or party on the basis of a newspaper story.
22

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:39:03
Mr Bashir Maan's name has been mentioned here.
just to remind ; Bashir Maan CBE is an Asian-Scottish politician, businessman and writer. In 1970 he was the first Muslim to be elected to a public office in the United Kingdom, to serve as a Labour councillor for the Kingston ward in Glasgow.He is currently Convener of the Muslim Council of Scotland and President of the Islamic Centre Glasgow. In 2006 he became involved in the Misbah Rana alleged abduction case.
23

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:40:55
Its hsould be noted also ,that for such a 'big' story, which is more or less a repeat of last Sundays. Its not actually reported in ant=y other 'quality' paper, I wonder why?
24

subrosa,

20/07/2008 01:42:04
# 7

Sticks and stones ...
25

subrosa,

20/07/2008 01:42:47
That should have been # 8

Been droning too much :)
26

Senga Jean,

20/07/2008 01:46:02
This is not just any story . This is an SOS RACIST story.



As they say in the East End..."Aye Right!"
27

Alec M,

Falkirk 20/07/2008 02:00:25
A funny thing - the initials "SIF", previously known to refer to a fund-raising forum much utilised by "Labour in Scotland" and now thought to be under serious investigation by Strathclyde's finest for deception / misrepresentation!
28

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:03:59
29 Senga Drone

What colour of skin or what race does a Muslim have?

Islam is an ideology.

Genetic make-up is a race.

What race does a christian have?

Islam is not a race, it is a religion. People are just emotionally blackmailed into beleiving they are racist if they dare to challenge an ideology, because it is easier to silence them.

Another "atheist" bias story for the SOS? Or are they christian? Either way it is not fueled by race.

Please learn to use the world racist in a sentence, it should follow or be in the context of genetic make-up, not ideological choice. You can't choose not to be whate/black any more. So if your stupid and vote SNP try using that as a test. Can a muslim choose not to believe in Islam? Yes, ergo not racist.
29

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 02:20:07
Morning Doggin'it How do manage to post and take part in your alfresco activities.
30

Senga Jean,

20/07/2008 02:24:06
This is just not any story. This is a RACIST Islamaphobe SOS story.


BTW I am a secularist! WOW! (Yes and I do vote SNP)
31

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

20/07/2008 02:26:52
3 pressure, scotland 20/07/2008 00:14:42

very garbled and mis-leading comments

32

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:28:49
Islam = race?

Holy Romans were maybe a race, but Islam is not.

What I find hilarious, it's the type of irony that is wasted on SNP levels of averageness is that Islam does not believe in countries, it is without borders.

For the SNP to promote Islam with public money to win votes of Muslims to vote for the creation of borders and Nationlism. The mind boggles, another intelligent principled stand from the party that like to say yes to any short-term opportunism.
33

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:30:20
Nationalism and Islam, as Scottish as each other?

LOL
34

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:31:51
What does the Quaran say on Nationalism? Will "those" teachings be a part of Islam Fest? I doubt it.
35

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:33:44
Islam teaches that Nationalism has split up humanity into self serving groups and must be abolished.

Good old 'eck. Really smart guy that one. Lucky for him his cult members are thick.
36

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:35:24
What is this Mulsim SNP group called. Muslims for independence?

Charlatans, these guys must be. Emotionally blackmailing and using Islam for self-serving needs. Some like to use religion for destructive warfare, some for destructive politics.

But Islam is diametrically opposed to nationalism, someone needs to point that out the great pretender.
37

Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 20/07/2008 03:54:41
Waiting for that W M Smith plonker to come up with some anti SNP bile
38

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 05:17:36
I am going to put on an iron shirt
And chase
the devil out of earth I am going to send him to outer space to find anotherm race.


39

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 05:46:47
The Deil cam fiddlin thro the town
And danc'ed awa wi th Exciseman
And ilka wife cries Auld Mahoun
I wish you luck o the prize man!

The deils awa the deils awa the deils
Awa wi the exciseman
40

Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 07:46:56
Good grief Eddie.

What a clever article.

Lets whip up the anti - Muslim feelings with utter rubbish and your masters at New Labour Sleaze will give you a pat on the head.

DO YOU HAVE NO DIGNITY LEFT???

YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO JOURNALISM!!!

Have you not run the story again about that idiot Mike Dailly and his office expenses?????
41

Garry Otton,

Scottish Media Monitor com 20/07/2008 08:05:24
I think the SNP distribute religious privileges very fairly. Speaking at a lecture of one of most notorious homophobes, Salmond has promised funding for more sectarian schools for Catholics.
42

Pink Sombrero,

20/07/2008 08:22:08
1. Maybe an illegal war against a Muslim country, public images of Muslims being humiliated, tortured and urinated on at Abu Ghraib, and Guantanamo bay, would be a better strategy for harmonious relations between faiths and cultures?
43

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/07/2008 08:30:59
30
'...and now thought to be' thought ot be by whom? Nobody except nationalist liars who would do anything to deflect attention away from more evidence of SNP cronyism. And to think of the self-righteous cant that spewed out of SNP HQ. Hypocritical liars.
44

donald,

glasgow 20/07/2008 09:25:25
Nice try Eddie. What about Labour introducing Scots Muslims to cronyism? George Galloway made his fortune in the Labour Party from Glasgow Muslims and was responsible for the Asian Times article in Urdu, claiming that the SNP would deport all Muslims.

It is Labour bombing Muslims, not the SNP.
45

brownlie,

20/07/2008 09:37:18
46 Grahamski

An organisation, obstensibly set up for the regeneration of an area, being used for donations to a political party should be a concern for all not just nationalists.

Do you have a different opinion?
46

Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 09:59:46
#45 "illegal war"?

Really?
47

LEAL,

20/07/2008 10:03:39
46 Grahamski

How goes it in Glasgow East?Got that office tidied up yet?Cups washed?Maps sorted out?You'll have to run buses up from England with Labour activists to give you coverage at the next general election.They may be to busy in their own constituencies in England to have time.
48

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 10:09:48
52 Methalions

Ahhh yes, the crucifiction of christ, I wish they would stop re-hashing that. Or those re-hashed stories from the Quran. Isn't that last millenium's news, or was it the one before?

Another SNP drine who advocates a system whereby a sitting government break the law and just have to filibuster their way out of it knowing that injustie should never be revisited.

The SNP are a disgrace, drones like Methalions an embarassment to reasoned thought. If someone demanded that funding for Islam be stopped because it was just re-hashed stories then... well, we all know Mathalions and his SNP drones are having trouble coming to terms that the SNP is just as corrupt as Labour.
49

Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 10:11:55
Have Jackie Baillie and Red Wendy been out on the streets, campaigning for the poor and underprivileged???

As true 'socialists' I thought they'd have been out campaigning for Francis Curran???
50

Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 10:13:58
52 Doggin'it1707

Did you become a fool naturally, or did you have to work at it???

Do tell us
51

brownlie,

20/07/2008 10:14:00
49 Rufus

Do you consider the maiming and killing of innocents to be "legal"?
52

Linda,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 10:42:57
SOS clutching at straws here.

You would run out of print if you were to investigate the 100s of Labour fronted organisations that receiuve public money.

Govan Law Centre for one.
53

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 10:59:35
56 Linda (SNP Drone)

The old two wrongs make a right defence? How old are you.

Labour and the SNP are as bad as each other, only drones from the SNP think that a imagined ration of law-breaking is a mitigating factor.

You are an embarassment to reasoned thought.
54

livilion,

livingston 20/07/2008 11:10:14
What a tangled web...
Cronyism, is that like the North Larnarkshire Murphia?
Where in order to get up the political ladder you should be seen to have, or a close family member has, a season ticket to Celtic Park kind of thing?

How many Unionist politicians have 'secret' links to religious groups which have 'links' to child abusers or fascist organisations and assisted in their fundraising activities?
55

brownlie,

20/07/2008 11:18:49
57 Dog

You are the only person who makes reference to "imagined ration of law-breaking". Linda did not make any mention of this in her post.

Can I suggest that when you generalise in insulting posters any opinions you express are automatically weakened.
56

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 11:27:10
59 brownlie

Yes, my bad typing. Ration should be ratio.

100/1 is a ratio of law-breaking. But that doesn't mean we should ignore the one case (so far) of SNP corruption.

You can suggest that, but two wrongs don't make a right. Like most SNP drones you avoid the story and instead split hairs and play the man not the ball.

You are the worst kind of sophist. (Not the same as sphistication).
57

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 11:29:06
59 Brownlie

For the avoidance of doubt theSNP drone Linda said that this case should be ignored by the press because Labour had done it 100s of times.

That creates an imagined ration of 100s/1 and we should thereby ignore all govermnetal crime until thy;ve committed a 100 or more?

Typical SNP rationale, retarded.
58

Scythia,

Scotland 20/07/2008 11:31:34
The whole thing has a rotton smell to it.This is far more serious than the Wendy Alexander affair. Taxpayers money being used to fund a bloc that overwhelmingly supports a particular party, whose head is a member of that party. That's called gerrymandering and should be investigated by the slease watchdog ASAP.
59

brownlie,

20/07/2008 11:40:13
60/61 Dog

If you look at 56 Linda did NOT say that this case should be ignored by the press. She merely pointed out that, whilst in Government, Labour had funded other organisations. She made no mention of crime but you did.

What is the best kind of sophist?
60

AM2,

Scotland,UK 20/07/2008 11:46:12
#12 Ken_Fitlike

I can only presume that, to imagine that I hold “neo-con views”, your vantage point must be off the left-most end of the mainstream political scale.

Tom Gallagher is Professor of Ethnic Conflict and Peace. Here’s his profile:
http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/peace/staff/academic/gallagher_t/

As for Osama Saeed, here’s what the Centre for Social Cohesion has to say:
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/ScottishIslamicFoundation.pdf

The CSC really may have something of a “neocon agenda”, as Saeed charges. Certainly its director has espoused neoconservative principles. But the analysis is well referenced and so shouldn’t be discounted on that basis.

See also this Times article: “Osama Saeed – a reluctant fundamentalist?”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4186363.ece
61

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 11:47:14
63

A quiet one.
62

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brownlie,

20/07/2008 11:50:22
65 Dog

I suggest you have a lot to be quiet about! Let's hope it's contagious then!
64

MtnKat,

20/07/2008 12:06:54
What part of 'cross party support' don't you understand?
Just because Pauline MacNeill of the U-Turn party is staying in character when an opportunity to slag the SNP appears, doesn't change the facts.
Enjoy Barnes, entirely predictable, sniper attack. I've got better things to do.
65

LEAL,

20/07/2008 12:13:33
Is their a big turnout of campaigners in Glasgow East today?
66

Iain's,

Barcelona 20/07/2008 12:15:53
Seems to me all they are guilty of is forward thinking and showing New Labour how community relations should be dealt with.
All New labour is interested in is caring for Muslim extremists!
67

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/07/2008 12:18:40
A fundamental point that's not getting much attention is - why are we funding ANY religious group? Were we ever asked whether this was appropriate or the right thing to do?

Amongst followers of Islam there is a split on this and that apart from anything else might explain why this type of fundiing should never be contemplated whether it's to Muslims or Christians or any other group. Gordon Brown has courted all sorts of immigration legal and illegal, turning (ahem) a blind eye to it to catch votes. I'd hope the SNP is not in the same boat but they are politicans after all.
68

subrosa,

20/07/2008 12:40:58
# 35

'What I find hilarious, it's the type of irony that is wasted on SNP levels of averageness is that Islam does not believe in countries, it is without borders.'

I expect you find it hilarious that the UK government gave the go-ahead for the largest mosque in Europe to be built on prime land in London. Don't upset the Saudis ...

69

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 20/07/2008 12:50:45
I do not know why you all get excited over politicians,
I do not trust any of them no matter what party they are from they are all there to con the public and to line their own pockets at the hard working tax payers expense. to all those people trying to get a house become a politician you get it paid for from the tax payers
70

brownlie,

20/07/2008 12:53:53
73 subrosa

Nothing hilarious about Blair getting the Serious Fraud Office not to proceed with corruption charges prosecution so as not to offend the Saudis.
71

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:00:46
AM2
Dragging out Tom Gallagher doesn't add credibility to your point. His scholarship is about the poorest I've ever seen and his judgment on political issues is very weak. What he knows about Islam can probably be put on the back of a postage stamp. When did he become a prfessorial level expert on the finer points of Islam? How, for example does he define 'hardline Islam'? What does that mean exactly? Aren't things just a little bit more complicated than that? What's your ppoint - is it about hardline Islam, or is about alleged cronyism? This is just a cheap smear.
72

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 13:33:16
73

There is nothing Ironic about approving a place of worship in one of the world's most international, vibrant and diverse cities.

But do you see the irony in Nationalism being peddled by Islam and an "National" party promoting Islam?

The SNP rely on borders and self serving divisiveness and Islam are diametrically opposed to this. You couldn't make it up. I guess there is unity on the fringes of British society and no principle so big it can't be overlooked by the SNP and Islam if it means attacking British culture.
73

AM2,

Scotland,UK 20/07/2008 13:36:45
#76 Wee Fifer

Which of Prof Gallagher’s articles criticising the SNP led you to want to call into question his credentials? I linked to his biography on the University of Bradford’s website specifically so that anyone can see the breadth of his research interests. That he is criticised by the hard Left and by radical Islamists tells us nothing. It goes with the territory.

“Scotland’s nationalist-Muslim embrace”
http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflicts/democracy_terror/scotland_islam

“English policies will cause a schism in Scotland”
http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/featuresopinon/display.var.1592973.0.0.php

“Scotland’s Radicals”
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=9746

“The SNP and the Islamist Threat”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/archive/60806/the-snp-is-playing-a-deadly-game-with-islam.thtml
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:41:13
AM2 78
None of the above. I am quite familiar with Prof Gallagher's scholarship on other issues than either Islam and/or the SNP. He is perfectly entitled to engage in polemics as is anyone, but given his voluminous effluence written to date on the Balkans I am just saying that I don't take him seriously as a scholar.
So, less of the assumptions please!
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:43:00
PS: Breadth of research interests don't necessarily add up to academic credibility. Excessive breadth says something quite different, in general it says 'opportunist' and sometimes 'charlatan'.
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Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 13:57:03
AM2

Would today be a record for you, in the number of posts you've deleted????

Do tell us!
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Govanhill,

Govanhill 20/07/2008 14:03:36
In March, the Scottish Islamic Foundation received a £215,000 grant from SNP ministers to fund a major 'IslamFest' event next year being organised by the group, and to pay for its offices in Glasgow.
May I suggest that this money would be better used to clean up Allison St in Govanhill. This would do more for social cohesion.

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Allan(handofgod137),

20/07/2008 14:15:17
Nice to see wee eck remaining true to his leftist roots.
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Brian Hill,

20/07/2008 14:27:42
For those who think Eddie 'can do better than this' you are wrong. If he could rubbish the SNP more he would.

Eddie and his fellow unionist apologists are in a real panic over Glasgow East, not just at the loss of one Westminster seat but at what the loss would represent.

This victory would not only match Hamilton which sparked off the modern SNP success, it would eclipse Hamilton because it will spell the beginning of the end of the union.

The SNP have 3 chances of winning a mandate to begin negotiations for the break up of the UK between now and 2011. A General Election in 2010, an Independence Referendum in 2010 and a Holyrood Election in 2011.

A win on Thursday will give them an unstoppable momentum to take into those mandate producing campaigns and of course next year's European elections will give their machine a thorough work out before the big 3. Thus the importance of this by election.

Swanning round the constituency for about 5 hours yesterday my impression was a very soft Labour vote failing to halt a huge chunk of itself sliding slowly towards the SNP, (coming from those currently undecided).

Organisation on Thursday will almost certainly decide this election, which gives the edge to the SNP. But the current momentum must be maintained up to and including polling day, which I have no doubt it will. Looks more like an SNP gain everyday.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/07/2008 14:37:46
These unionists are priceless, they can't make up their minds if the SNP is left wing or right wing, they accuse the SNP of having it's own 'narrow agenda', of not being outward looking, and of wanting to cut Scotland and it's people off from the rest of the World and it's people.

When the SNP government shows that it wishes to embrace all the people of Scotland, whether they have a faith or not, just as it wishes a Scotland that will reach out to the rest of the world, they start moaning.

No proof mind you, just moans, and the kind of comments that show that in their desperation they even contradict themselves and each other.

'Tis they who are small and petty minded.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/07/2008 14:40:29
I forgot to say, that it is ameasur eof their desperation that Eddie Barnes story is not headlined,
'Claims made that SNP,' etc etc.

A good journo' would provide the truth for a headline like that, not our Eddie.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/07/2008 14:43:48
Doesn't Arthur Midwinter have credentials and look how unbiased he is?
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20/07/2008 14:59:04
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Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 15:10:43
88 Ochone

Good one.

Arthur MID winter MORE LIKE Ivor Frontbottom.

F.A.N.N.Y

We know Independence is best and the SNP are more popular because we do.

You don't see other parties complaining of bias as regularly do you? Why's that, becaue their supporters are f.u.c.k.i.n.g barking?

Woof woof

Doggin' like it's going out of fashion.

The SNP are correct.
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Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 15:11:41
Saturday's Headline: Lard Foolkes found in gutter.
Red Wendy joins SNP. Mike Dailly joins SNP. Lard Foolkes joins SNP - I've always been a nationalist, slurs His Lardship
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 20/07/2008 15:25:02
No one will talk to the trolls on the other threads, so its seems they have all congregated here to talk to each other. It's just like how the sheep act before the shearing.
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20/07/2008 15:35:47
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 15:41:45
#55 Brownlie, so all wars are illegal then?
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 15:47:49
Why is any religious group getting a quarter of a million pounds?

People's belief systems are their own business — why should the state fund them?

As Muslims make up a tiny proportion of Scotland (about 3%) does that mean we can expect 25 million being given to a Catholic organisation and 75 million given to a Protestant one?

Of course the tax payers cash is being spent on a Mela?
A celebration of Asian and Muslim cultures...
I don't remember the last time I was asked to pay for someone else's party.
Surely is they want a celebration of their 'own' culture they should pay for it.
I would prefer it if the Scottish government projected Scottish culture and traditions not foreign ones.

If people choose to come to this country and live they should expect public money to be spent on Scottish events - to ehnahce the reputation of and appreciation of a foreign culture is promotional work and should be paid for by that section of the community (or by tickets) or by the foreign government that benefits from it.

If there is to be such a thing surely as this is Scotland it should be a Tryst or some such tradition.- with of course appropriate acomodation given to ALL parts of Scottish life and culture. Jewish, Protestant, Catholic and above all Atheist (the vast majority of the population.

Of course anyone with any sence knows that this isn't about religion - it is about culture and the politics of culture.

What I want to know is why on earth are my taxes paying to support a foreign culture?

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brownlie,

20/07/2008 15:49:42
95 Rufus

I would suggest that an invasion, involving the maiming and killing of innocents, of a country which presented no threat to the invading country is certainly illegal.

The subsequent carnage, with millions of refugees, is as a direct result.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 15:53:15
You would never know there was an election on, would you?

A couple of corrections though. The SNP's Glasgow office, Eddie, not HQ. Their HQ is in Edinburgh - Labour's is in Glasgow.

Whichever of the recent trolls it was on here banging on about Islam and nationalism, Islam is imperialist while nationalism is self contained within the national boundary.

Scottish nationalism equates to wanting an autonomous government and international representation in its own right. Islam wants the world under its power.

By all means grant freedom of worship to all "faiths" but also keep a close eye on what "faiths" say and do.

The nation is more important than the dominance of any "faith".
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 15:56:18
95, Rufus, the invasion of Iraq was illegal because Bush was not given the second UN mandate to do so. Later, he got the mandate to occupy Iraq.

So the invasion was a war crime but the occupation was fine.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 15:58:11
94 Jimmy
It's not value for money is it, 77 grand for him - they've got a cheek squealing about everyone else. Glenn Campbell let Curran off lightly over the former MP's activities in the service of Glasgow East when they had the mini question time at the BBC.
Back on topic, anyone interested in more light than heat should have a look at what I would call a very moderate point of view put forward by Osama Saeed re the contentious issue of 'the caliphate' that is bandied around. The point of view put forward juxtaposes a political ideal that is open ended and contrasts with the status quo of Arab client states run by installed 'monarchies' and ruthless 'Arab Republican' tyrants propped up for the sake of expediency by western interests. See - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/nov/01/religion.world
It just proves that the caliphate is like any other political concept - its meaning depends on how it is defined and by whom. To the western mind, convinced by centuries of imperialist propaganda, a word like caliphate conjours up all sorts of images. But historically it is a very complex political artefact co-existing alongside a multitude of quite sophisticated social and political institutions.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:00:05
Jock Tamson, Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 15:53:15

"The nation is more important than the dominance of any "faith"."

Not according to Osama Saeed it isn't — you should read what he he written and published.

He is using the SNP and the SNP are using him.


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Arrow,

edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:07:33
why is a story of this magnitude and importance not worth a mention in today's Sunday Herald? i was in glasgow last evening for a meal (fed up trying to have a meal in the west end without having to walk around roads works) and picked up the Herald to read on the train. having read it for the first time for some months i found it a much more interesting read and newsworthy that the Scotsman. in addition it mentioned a recent poll that indicated that the lead was not as great as the lab party believes and it will come "down to the wire" this week. there is only one poll that counts. and if labour maintain their tactics i think you might find that there is a graveyard vote i.e voters that have died between the compiltation of the electoral register and the issue of voting cards sometime are "resurrected" to vote. this allows the activity of "vote early and vote often" of some elections!!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:07:59
And re the Holy Roman Empire, here's the link for the tube that reckoned it was racial,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 16:09:46
#97 legality would not be decided by what you "suggest".

International law would be the determining factor.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:09:52
Wee Fifer, Edinburgh 20/07/2008 15:58:11

"It just proves that the caliphate is like any other political concept — it's meaning depends on how it is defined and by whom."

Including you and Saeed.

I would like to see opinion polls and referenda on mass immigration and multiculturalism. I have a feeling the vast major