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NHS staff steal £80m every year



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Published Date: 27 January 2008
DISHONEST NHS staff – including doctors and nurses – are defrauding the service of up to £80m a year and have been threatened with court action unless the pilfering stops, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.

Ministers say the cash is being creamed off from hospitals, GP practices, dental surgeries and other NHS facilities through dozens of scams.

That £80m stolen each year is enough to pay for an extra 4,275 nurses, or 684 consultants, say ministers
. Spent on medical procedures, it would fund an extra 11,400 hip operations or more than half a million MRI scans.

But the claims have caused widespread anger among medical staff, who have accused the Government of risking a morale crisis by casting suspicion over the entire health service.

The SNP Government says fraud committed by staff and patients totals as much as £100m annually. But a senior official, who asked not to be identified, told Scotland on Sunday that staff were responsible for the vast majority of the losses, as much as £80m a year.

The Government's hard- hitting assessment of NHS scams reveals:

• GPs claiming for treatment which was never given, home visits never made or non-existent "ghost" patients.

• Hospital doctors claiming payments for private work undertaken during NHS time or on NHS premises, and misuse of NHS fuel and credit cards.

• Nurses making fraudulent travel and overnight claims, and moonlighting on lucrative shifts for nursing agencies while claiming to be off sick.

• Pharmacists making claims on the NHS for expensive brand-name drugs when they actually dispensed cheaper generic alternatives.

• Dentists claiming money for precious metals in fillings when they had actually used cheaper materials, and claiming cash for opening surgeries for after-hours emergencies when the premises were already open.

• Opticians claiming for two pairs of glasses when only one pair was supplied.

Other scams include staff printing off prescriptions for drugs under patients' names, deleting the transaction from the computer, then pocketing the drugs for their own use.

The crackdown will be officially launched tomorrow by Scottish Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon, who said: "Let me make it clear that fraud in the NHS will not be tolerated. While only a tiny minority of people defraud the NHS, their actions cost the service dear. NHS fraud takes money away from where it is needed most. We are therefore determined to ensure that the problem of fraud is tackled effectively."

Each health board will have an "anti-fraud champion" and health service managers will be given training in how to spot fraud and what to do about it.

An anti-fraud source in the NHS said: "What we're wanting to do is deter people from getting involved in fraud in the first place because at the end of the day that is much more cost-effective than investigating each incident. But we want

people to know that we are watching and we have powers to refer cases to the procurator fiscal."

Dr Kevin Cormack, Scottish spokesman for junior doctors' lobby group Remedy UK, said: "If anyone is letting the people down when it comes to public services, it's politicians rather than health workers. All the NHS staff I have ever encountered are honest and altruistic."

Bridget Hunter, of health union Unison in Scotland, said: "We don't condone fraud, but we are very concerned at the emphasis in all of this. It's like they're telling staff: 'We don't trust you.' The Government risks giving a very wrong impression of NHS staff who all work to the highest professional standards under very challenging conditions."

A spokeswoman for the doctors' union BMA Scotland said: "You can't just single out individual groups such as GPs and staff and suggest that they bear the brunt of this."

But Margaret Watt, of the Scottish Patients' Association, said: "This does need to be taken very seriously, whether frauds are carried out by patients or staff. Every fraud is stealing from the sick, the vulnerable and the dying."

Last year a Fife nurse was sentenced to 135 hours' community service for claiming £3,000 sick pay while working shifts for an agency.



The full article contains 696 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 26 January 2008 10:04 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Health of the NHS
 
1

Fanling,

Hong Kong 27/01/2008 00:35:58
Fraud everywhere is to be deplored but offences against arguably the most important public service are as low as it gets. I am curious about this. Six years ago in my home county I had an orthopaedic operation (broken toe) - in and out in a day and night. I claimed though my insurance company for the loss of work time. No problem. Except that I got a bill for £30 from the senior ortho-surgeon for signing the insurance company form. £30 for a bloody signature which would effectively nullify my insurance claim. I ignored this ridiculous demand - made on NHS notepaper to boot - for a 2-second flash of a pen. No more was heard. Surprise ...

The following year I had to have the failed job re-done, by none other then Himself this time. Again, the same £30 demand for his signature on my insurance claim form. I contacted my insurance company and they told me to get in touch with the hospital authority and ask them simply to stamp the form. A day later a done deal and my claim was settled immediately.

Maybe somebody in the NHS high hierarchy can inform me how it is that a very well-paid employee can make such demands within the confines of a public service using publicly funded stationery and clerical staff to do his dirty work. I won't count on a logical reply, but I live in hope. The aforementioned surgeon also operates in private practice (don't they all?). He is a wealthy man, and clearly mops up the scraps wherever they are available. Slime ... They are everywhere. The NHS needs more than an overhaul.





2

Colin R,

Bearsden 27/01/2008 00:44:45
Idle threats- the Crown office don't prosecute public sector workers unless its absolutely serious and the press get hold of it -that's why Shipman, Allit, Nilsen etc got away with mass murder, why the SCRO 4 didn't get prosecuted
3

Guga II,

Rockall 27/01/2008 00:55:06
I have no doubt that the vast majority of NHS staff are beyond reproach, so, presumably, any fraud is being committed by a very small minority. They should, however, be stomped on, from a great height.

Incidentally, I notice from the above figures that an MRI scan costs £160. This is a very interesting figure as recently, at our local hospital, the question of a delay of three or four weeks in getting an MRI scan for bone cancer came up. A certain doctor assured us that we could get round this delay by paying £600. His offer was refused, and the scan was subsequently obtained within a couple of days.
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Kaytoc,

Deep Creek Lake 27/01/2008 02:19:42
160 pounds for a CT Scan? They're $700.00 here. That's actually an aside.
Pilfering is one of the lovely side effects of an entitlement society. So easy to justify the "they owe me for simply showing up for work mentality".
Where accountability is the standard honesty follows.
That used to be the way it was.
As insane as it is here, your great social experiment is a dismal failure.
The World War veterans must be turning in their graves. This is NOT what the veterans of either of our countries gave their lives for.

8

2Right,

On Location 27/01/2008 02:44:30
Absolutely Diabolical
And some patients have to fight for cancer treatment too.
No wonder they were told it was too costly, Too many thiefs within eh?
9

W Smith,

Middle East 27/01/2008 03:08:29
So we're going to see people being sacked over this then?

I doubt it.

How many NHS staff get sacked for taking too much 'sick' leave?

None.

How many NHS staff got sacked for filthy wards and the spread of superbugs?

None.
10

Groucho,

27/01/2008 03:19:54
It cuts both ways. The NHS expects a lot of work from their staff free of charge. For example, working through lunches and hanging on after the shift. Although, in theory, this can be claimed back, in practice the staff have to write it off. If managers hound staff over alleged thefts then they are not in a position to demand favours.
11

Steafan,

27/01/2008 03:24:02
Cuts both ways? Interesting take on the matter....I don't think. #9 makes a good point that it takes an awful lot for staff to be sacked in the NHS, short of murdering patients, from what I've heard.

If someone were to speak up though, about mistreatment of vulnerable patients etc etc they would be out the door in a second.
12

henrymanchester,

UK 27/01/2008 04:05:41
It's the NHS worker's turn in the barrel this weekend, is it?
13

Alberto.,

27/01/2008 07:17:58
Consaidering the massive number of 'Management' employed that we read about, there must certainly be much room for investigation of the overall
'Management' side if so much can be away with, especially as it seems - Knowingly!

Could it be that this''side' of the NHS is what they are managing - apparently much better than the job they are paid to 'Manage?'

Somewhere at the back of my mind 'An Arm and a Leg' spring to mind - are they on 'E-Bay yet?'
14

Haleakelaman,

Auld Grey City 27/01/2008 07:41:53
#4 & #5 Good Comments.
SOS Scotland greatest non-newspaper
15

Haleakelaman,

St.Andrews 27/01/2008 08:33:53
Yeah the good old NHS. A tired old machine that doesn't work. It just doesn't. What a ridiculous drain on the economy. I'm wondering how many more years it can leech out of the budget, it sure as hell isn't cost-efficient by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe I'll live long enough to see it's demise if C'est Difficile or MRSA don't get me first.
16

Pocket Dictionary,

27/01/2008 09:01:14
Nothing new here. It was happening in the 80's too. A nurse told me his then boyfriend a community NHS dentist, was providing his dental work and putting it down as treatment for a pregnant patient.
17

simpleton,

edinburgh, but got loads of freebies from nhs.. 27/01/2008 09:23:32
How on earth are they going to sack anyone from the NHS for stealing, my wife is a nurse and i tell you having 4 kids at a very young age it would cost us a fortune in bandages and plasters if it werent for the missus and the freebies she gets from the hosi, not to mention all the photo copying we get done free and pens and pencils for the wee ones for school, nearly forgot we have been separated for six years now but still live together and im claiming,even got my own flat from the council, so if i need a break i just go there for a few days,And our little darlings get free school dinners as well.
Wee just love living in the good old UK.

Been here ten years now, who says there is no great in Great Britain...
18

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 09:51:10
Theft? Fraud? Pilfering? £80 million?

Undoubtedly, theft and fraud occurs in the NHS just like it does in every large public sector organisation, AND every private sector company. The past Barings, and present Societe Generale scandals are good examples.

Recently, the United States Senate Committee on the Armed Services found that since the beginning of the Iraq War corrupt military suppliers and procurement officials at the State Department have been defrauding the Federal Government of some $2.5 BILLION a year from the multi-trillion dollar Defense Budget $2.5 BILLION!

I suggest this puts the alleged NHS lossess into perspective!

19

The Equalizer,

Aberdeen 27/01/2008 10:14:01
It is a little-know fact that some NHS staff, especially those already on very good salaries, use their official positions to do private work. A good example is in medico-legal and forensic psychology Office secretaries take the incoming telephone calls from solicitors offering commissions; relevant staff are circulated to see if they want to pick up the business; the person to be assessed may be seen on hospital premises, using hosoital furniture, heat, light etc; hospital resources may be deployed to do the job (eg expensive psychology tests my be used, or photocopied in direct contravention of copyright); a report will be dictated and may be typed up by a hospital secretary who is given a few pounds for her time - but she may use a hospital computer, printer, paper, ink etc; and, finally, the professional will receive several hundred pounds on top of a salary that already could be £40-80,000 ayear (or even more)! There are no expenses in delivery of this service; and all costs fall on the taxpayer. What's more, if the job is legal-aid funded, the taxpayer supplies the fee that's being paidd too! Even if it is paid by an insurance company, insured people at large (eg motorists through their rates of car insurance) pick up the tab. How can anyone compete with that?
20

With a life,

Fife 27/01/2008 10:16:00
The current Govt is intent on convincing the public that the NHS is in a mess because of the staff within it. Can you please stop and think why they might want you to believe that?

First they believed that all Doctors were on the take so they introduced the new Consultant contract and found out that paying them for what they did costs HUNDREDS of MILLIONS more than before. Then, they have tried to unify the pay scale of everyone else to fund debacle #1, a process which is now three and a half years out of due process and has left (yes, me included) thousands of workers out of pocket whilst costing the public purse MILLIONS to implement.

If the Govt want to save money WITHIN the NHS then they should stop demonising workers and start looking a lot closer to home.
21

Billy,

London 27/01/2008 10:29:44
Surely these organisations are audited. Shouldn't this type of thing be picked up? If not what's the point of Audit Scotland?
22

Dawn of the dead,

27/01/2008 10:42:13
New Labour spin. The Government wants to look tough on fraud in office but can't quite bring itself to sack its top ministers under investigation by the police so to look tough it goes after a nurse who didn't declare that tuby grip and plasters they took home.

23

Cadgers,

27/01/2008 10:49:32
#12. My thoughts exactly. Anything to keep Moothy Wendy oot the front pages? That's Wendy Alexander, lest we forget.
24

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 27/01/2008 11:40:54
APPALLING!

What really struck me and alarmed me - and it should ever NHS patient - is the staff scamming prescription drugs.

They are probably tranquillisers, pain killers such as percocet or oxycodone, or uppers.

This MUST affect their performance on the job and I wonder how many patients have been harmed or even killed by stoned staff trying to perform their duties whilst literally out of their minds.

THis must be very worrying when you enter a doctor's office or are in a hospital.
25

ARP,

Scotland 27/01/2008 11:47:00
Don't blame the doctors, nurses and admins staff for stealing and don't blame the police and procurators for not prosecuting the thieves. Don't blame the skivers and the benefits thieves, don't blame greedy lawyers or corrupt politicians, or crooked police or mobsters or gun-toting gangsters, or even dear sweet Wendy, just blame their parents!
Don't blame anyone for anything except, of course, the yobbos for being ugly and ignorant, and the poor for owing money, and the elderly for being vulnerable, and the sick for being ill.

26

Marti,

England 27/01/2008 12:44:37
My mother started to deteriorate badly following a couple of falls last Christmas. Eventyally, after her doctor referred her for investigations, she saw a consultant neurologist in September who examined and told her he was 90% certain he knew what her problem was, but he would need to run further tests to confirm his diagnosis. By the time of her consultation she was having difficulty walking, her speech had deteriorated and she was having problems holding her head up. Unfortunately, the consult said, that the tests she needed would take another six months - however, with blatant arrogance, he said he had a friend in a neighbouring hospital who could undertake them privately within a week. My mother was so desperate for help by then, she agreed, and five days later, another consultant neurologist saw her during his lunch hour in his NHS office and did a muscle biopsy and sent it to the NHS lab. Within a couple of hours he called her back into his office and told her she had Motor Neurone Disease before handing her a hand-written bill for £500.

Clearly there are problems with the NHS and we are told rationing and prioritisation are an unfortunate reality, however, for someone with such a terrible illness to be treated with professional cronyism and greed for the peace of mind (or otherwise) of knowing what was disabling her so badly, is frankly disgusting. Moral & ethics within the medical profession take a back seat where opportunism and greed is so rife.







27

IainA,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 12:48:13
Just a point, the annual NHS budget in Scotland is over 10 billion.

that's £10,000,000,000,000 so the pilfering is approximately (my arithmetic is lousy, so please check this) 0.0008 of a percent.

That is rather less than any other organisation in the UK.

Given that NHS Scotland employs about 150,000 people, that implies that in general, nurses and doctors are rather more honest (statistically speaking) than their patients.
28

Anne,

Eaglesham 27/01/2008 12:48:54
Nothing new here.
i went to a neighbour twenty years ago to borrow an elastoplast for my son's grazed arm.
She opened a drawer akin to an Aladdin's cave of plasters, bandages and dressings and invited me to take my pick.
When I expressed my amazement, she answered, "Oh,(her sister) ----'s a nurse at ----(well-known Glasgow hospitaL)!"
29

dcw,

nova scotia 27/01/2008 13:35:10
I cannot believe the idiots below who believe the anti- NHS staff propaganda that they read in newspapers. This is all idle speculation. If there was any evidence these health care workers would be sacked and prosecuted. The government are playing dirty and if the public are foolish enough to believe it they will end up with the health service they deserve i.e. NONE.
30

Why Are 400,000 Leaving The UK Each Year ?,

27/01/2008 13:40:55
#30,

Hi Iain,

Sorry buddy, I think your arithmetic is a little off.

Scotland has approximately 6,000,000 of a population. By your numbers, each one will have £1,666,666 to pay into the NHS.

I think a billion is a thousand x million, not a million x million.

Though you have a point, even if your decimal point is all over the place !

Personally, I think that the vast majority at the NHS are decent, hard working people with a lot of job satisfaction (they need it as the wages aren't as good as they might be).

However, there are a few bad apples in there and this does need to be addressed.

Does the NHS not have some form of internal security that investigates and detects this sort of thing so it can be reported to the police?

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http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=260 27/01/2008
31

sceptic,

27/01/2008 13:49:00
You can believe anything about the NHS when the dedicated doctors and nurses kill 3500+ patients a year because washing their hands is too much bother or beneath their dignity.
32

Mick W.,

Nuneaton 27/01/2008 13:58:34
Broon should point out that its DON'T do as I do,do as I SAY!
33

kyles,

27/01/2008 14:17:41
Most health institutions steal our lives also. Did you know that BUPA takes your insurance payments and when you become a burden as in an incurable illness they tell you that the NHS is the best for treating your condition as our specialty in this feild is not as good as the ILUSTRIOUS NHS in laymen's terms your broke and you are now costing us bye.
34

kyles,

27/01/2008 14:18:56
So the NHS is the same then! Only they say withdraw all treatments.
35

Bien E. Bien,

27/01/2008 14:40:23
#30 - your figures are more than a little bit off. Using the short-scale (which is standard for financial markets) £10,000,000,000,000 is actually 10 trillion and not 10 billion. The former would be more than twice the GDP of the entire United Kingdom.
36

John Blackley,

Florida 27/01/2008 14:51:37
Now that we've all got our wind oot, could I ask a couple of questions about what looks to me to be a dodgy story?

First, what gave rise to this? I'd like something a little more concrete than the so-called government's "hard-hitting assessment". Was there a prolonged study? An audit? Sting operations?

Second, where did the figures come from? Was this a sampling of a few observed cases? A few thousand? Something 'ministers' pulled out of their behinds to take the spotlight off their own sleaze and incompetence?

Third, if the figures are actually true (and I very-much doubt that) why are 'ministers' threatening punitive action? If they have evidence of crime, why are the perpetrators not being punished now?

This reeks of a setup or a scandalmongering piece. Poor journalism. More facts and details please.
37

moweeb,

USA 27/01/2008 15:00:50
How about $250 million to build a bridge from mainland Alaska to an island with no population. Result, so much was made of it by the public, that the Senator for the state of Alaska withdrew his request. However, our ever protective Congress approved the $250 million for road and bridge work in the Senator's home district, Alaska.

Our Congress spend tax dollars with little regard for the taxpayers. Oh, there was a $2.5 million grant to study fish byproducts; something fishy here me thinks.
38

IainA,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 15:18:34
#33 and #39

Ah, I thought the finances were calculated using the European billion - which is a million x million rather than the American billion which is a thousand x million. Apologies.

The other numbers are right though, the NHS budget for Scotland is 10 billion

(http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2007/01/31162801)

and there are (roughly) 150,000 NHS staff in Scotland

(http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/08/30112522/25235)

39

IainA,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 15:29:06
I make that 0.8 of a percent pilfering - about average then for any large organisation.
40

IainA,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 15:29:30
Again, please check the arithmetic :-)
41

kyles,

27/01/2008 15:43:17
Why bother with the figures, just make sure you have enough cover and back up in the form of a reliable relative(s) and friends to make sure your treatment is an acceptable treatment and in accordances with all said and done.
42

Nellie,

Liverpool 27/01/2008 16:01:06
Very interesting. About 20 years ago I was examined by a dentist who declared that had two compacted wisdom teeth that needed to be removed, that they would cause a great deal of problems if this work was not done soon. This would require a long wait if it were to be done on the NHS. However, it could be done in a matter of weeks if I went to a private hospital and the cost would have been something like £200 each tooth. Something made me get a 2nd opinion. I went to a dentist in a poor part of Liverpool. I told him what had been said His reply was straightforward. "Are they hurting?" "No" I replied. "Then LEAVE THEM ALONE!" he said! I have done and they've never cause me any problems at all. In fact, one of them has been breaking through this last year without any pain whatsoever. Needless to say, I changed my dentist, going to the guy in the poor part of the city!
43

dcw,

nova scotia 27/01/2008 16:02:02
All this argueing over numbers. All miss the point apart from John Blackley, a voice of reason. The story is made up by Ministers threatened by the public's trust in doctors. I cannot believe the crass stupidity of the SoS and its pathetic readership. Who do you want to look after you when you are sick - a journalist, a politician or a doctor? Of course, doctors need strict regulation and bad doctors must not be allowed to practice but general slander and scaremongering will do no good at all.
44

Transparent?,

Scotland 27/01/2008 16:24:41
An anti-fraud source in the NHS said: "...But we want people to know that we are watching and we have powers to refer cases to the procurator fiscal."

You need more than 'power' to approach the procurator fiscal, you need EVIDENCE. This whole approach is purely psychological, hoping they won't need to produce the evidence, which they don't have.
45

kyles,

27/01/2008 16:32:56
Nellie you got the truth if you went looking poor or rich seeking treatment on the NHS and because it is his job to keep the figures down if you made the offer to pay or not might have given other options. if you pay cash it has an automatic 17.5% discount if you can see it. but not for all dentists.
46

kyles,

27/01/2008 16:37:39
some dentists even drug patients to get their financial details and other information to rob
47

Roberta Burns,

27/01/2008 16:47:13
£80m a year? For how many years? And why are they only telling us now? How many prosecutions so far?

1. The NHS should price private practice out of business. That would leave overpaid, lazy consultants with real work to do, and repay the cost of their education.

2. Force dental students to work in NHS for five years after graduating. Or, cancel the courses.

3. Fine doctors for every unnecessary repeat prescription.


If the NHS is to survive creeping privatisation, then they have to deal with these issues.
48

rona,

27/01/2008 17:17:27

kyles,
27/01/2008 16:37:39
"some dentists even drug patients to get their financial details and other information to rob""

especialy if they use hipnosis. They can say you are getting sleepy very sleepy with a watch on a chain Then they ask you persinal things of a persinal nature. Before you know it they;ve got a tooth in one hand and a bank card in the other.



also is it stealing if they throw things out! I found an old lung in their bin and took it home. It makes a great football but the cat burst it.





























you are getting very very sleepy. Zzzzzzz give me your bank details, or lung if you prefer.
49

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 27/01/2008 17:34:24
NHS staff steal £80m every year
By Murdo MacLeod Political Correspondent
We have politicians stealing in the name of donations, we have the bankers stealing in the name of Enron, and we have green stealing in the name of low carbon emissions. Now we have the medic stealing in the name of serving the sick. The story is really sickening. Where is all the money going?
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla MBA PhD
P.O.Box 421
Dar-Es-Salaam
Tanzania
East Africa
50

Candelwick,

USA 27/01/2008 17:35:27
There is always some fraud in everything from the store clerk to the undertaker, after all we are working with human beings. Now the goverment is trying to paint an entire group with the label of fraud. Now why do you suppose they are doing that. Always look to money and power. Do they see an impending shortfall and their poor planning and management as a major cause? If they shout "THIEF" and get everyone angry at the medical providers then the blame will be placed there and not on the ministers, planners, executives and politicians who through their own incompitance, failures and greed caused the problem. I hope people are smart enough to question the truthfullness and motives of the one making the accusations.
51

Anjj,

Scotland 27/01/2008 17:43:57
What utter rubbish.
Yet again the poor Health Service is the one that the government abuse and expect to get the smallest pay increases. As a nurse we do not have any opportunities to steal from the Health Service as all stocks are accounted for with ward managers even tea and coffee which staff take in their own. As for Nurses being off sick and claiming whilst working for agencies, any more than 2 occassions of sickness and the Nurses are counselled and asked to consider alternative occupations. We are alo expected to pay money for the priviledge of nursing, money to be insured in case patients sue us and we need to pay for 5 days courses a year to be able to keep registered as nurses and some of these courses can cost up to £400 each, do the patients or NHS pay for this-no!!! not in most cases. When patients come in with illnesses or are violent towards us we have to pay for our own treatment etc. The only thing we get supplied is pens to write with now. The Nhs is not able to keep staff and the government and patients are complaining but perhaps it is because we are sick and tired of Managers, Government and the people acusing us of shameful practice continually. After over 20 years in nursing I would not suggest anyone goes into the health profession. When the public believe this utter rubbish then those people should get their own families to look after them and not expect the downtrodden health staff to be there for them
52

Dismayed Old Soldier,

celle 27/01/2008 17:54:12
Marti number 28-what a terrible story! In the interests of other vulnerable old folks,please report your facts to the police,the NHS and anyone else you can think can sort out this apparent wickednass and greed. Please take the time to do it---pleas please ! Fraud on a very large scale needs courage and time to fight. Do it!
53

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 27/01/2008 17:56:44
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TimW1234,
Ottawa, Canada 27/01/2008 11:40:54
APPALLING!

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NHS staff steal £80m every year.
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In 2003 the US Gov. literally shipped $6 billion (£3 billion) to IRAQ., in Hemp Sacks carried in Planes.

One year later when the US GOA asked where all this cash went. NO ONE was able answer. It disappeared.

Now That's big time stealing. And US Gov. miss- management.

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TimW1234,

Sure its APPALLING stealing from NHS, but not in the sense U mean.

However it is APPALLING, that a deserter like you, will criticize the NHS in the Land you deserter.

All ex-pats are deserters. When the going gets tough the weak flee, and become Ex-pats , deserters.

Ex-pats is nothing more than a politically correct expression for Deserter.

Happy French-Canada Day Dude.

GC........ENERGY is everything

54

Katty,

Bannockburn 27/01/2008 18:34:04


And they steal not just from NHS they steal from the patients it is awful
55

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 27/01/2008 19:24:50
Hey Methalions,

Look at the end of the first sentence, in the first paragraph of the article.

"..the Scotsman on Sunday can reveal."

Ok. What I want to know is how long the Scotsman sat (held back) this vital information?

How long did they know and more in importantly, were they paid off to keep the information secret?

Just how can the Scotsman on Sunday morally and ethically justify refusing to alert the public to such deplorable thefts?

'..can reveal..' necessarily implies that they knew well beforehand.

I must ask how the publisher, the editor, and certainly the reporter, can look themselves in the mirror.

Mind you Methalions, this isn't the only article, I see all too often, that the Scotsman and the Scotsman on Sunday, hold back stories of interest all the time; they say all the time 'we can now reveal,' 'we can now tell,' 'it can be revrealed,' and so forth.

An organization as secretive as the Scotsman shouldn't be allowed to publish fish wrapping paper (hint, hint); when the public trust is in question, folks who keep us all in mushroom condition (in the dark and fed crap on a daily basis), do not allow themselves to be held accountable.

Oh well, pass the fish, line the bird cage, start the fire, you know, put the Scotsman to the uses for which they are so eminently qualified.

Cheers from the Rockies
56

Dr Finlay,

Tannochbrae 27/01/2008 19:56:47
To all the gullible fools who have posted their righteous indignation here, I would put this question: How do you think that this huge sum was calculated?

The answer is that a few renegade staff who have been proved to cheat or pilfer or steal have been assumed to be typical of all staff and their offence has been multiplied up as if all staff in the NHS are like them!

The NHS only survives at all because huge numbers of staff work above and beyond their contracted hours - if this government had to pay for all the unpaid overtime that is provided you would all be paying more tax and it would be much much more than the "fraud" bill.

Show me a business (especially politics and journalism)that doesn't have some self-seeking people in it! The NHS has the most self motivated and committed workforce of any industry and you are a fool if you think that denigrating the people in it will make it better - it is the dead hand of the politicians that is the problem.

The sooner that politics is removed from the NHS, the better! As for the quality of the journalism here - thank god these people didn't choose the NHS as a career!
57

Shamus,

Glasgow 27/01/2008 19:57:13
The MSPS are probably more concerned in cooking the books than concerning themselves with NHS pilfering. Expences, taxis, earning a few bob in rented accommodation at public expence,etc etc etc.
58

grannie,

East Kilbride Glasgow 27/01/2008 20:28:01
Isn't it sad that there doesn't seem to be any kind of morallity honesty or self respect in our country any more. Years ago people cherished their good name and no matter how badly off would not steep to the level which appers to be the norm these days. Hundreds running about in mobility cars with what appears to be very little wrong with them,people claiming disability allowance for trivial complaints and others who refuse to do a day's honest work. The place is full of fakers who are better off than honest people who have worked their whole lives. Where will it all end?
59

me-here,

At Home 27/01/2008 21:20:07
Hmmm!
All the organ doners that just a couple of weeks ago called people who want to keep theirs selfish!
No arguments were allowed.
Theres one!
60

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 27/01/2008 21:40:03
'That £80m stolen each year is enough to pay for an extra 4,275 nurses, or 684 consultants, say ministers. Spent on medical procedures, it would fund an extra 11,400 hip operations or more than half a million MRI scans.'

.... and an incalculable number of paper clips. More to the point, how many non-productive, highly paid, managers/administrators could be made redundant?
61

Waspy100,

27/01/2008 21:45:50
#65
Noticed that myself

62

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27/01/2008 21:46:53
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63

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 27/01/2008 21:52:19
#68 Dr Richard Somewhere In Ireland
Who asked you to take us seriously?
64

Waspy100,

27/01/2008 21:55:51
Come on.
Do you all really believe that £80 million was pilfered?
Do me a favour. More like mismanagement again trying to blame the workers for missing monies
80,000,000
Thats a lot of zeros and and a lot of plasters
Nah! someone is on the fiddle and it aint the workers
65

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 27/01/2008 21:59:55
#70 Waspy100
Perhaps it was donated!
66

Waspy100,

27/01/2008 22:02:37
#68 perv
67

Waspy100,

27/01/2008 22:08:08
#71
Nah!

68

W. Peyronie,

Edinburgh 27/01/2008 22:23:06
As an NHS worker,I have to say that the NHS has been stealing from me for over 10 years. The good will of NHS staff is rapidly being eroded by this corrupt, hypocritical government. I'm not bitter, honest!
69

Jwil,

27/01/2008 22:39:38
I once new someone who purported to be a good upstanding christian, yet he had no problem with stealing things from his employer.
70

zigzag,

27/01/2008 22:59:59
"...are defrauding the service of up to £80m a year and have been threatened with court action unless the pilfering stops."

Imagine that. Oh wow...some Government you have there. Jail the bloody lot now.
71

Highland Mighty,

27/01/2008 23:03:05
The entire NHS, in fact every doctor and hospital in the whole world, should come under the direct control of Alex Salmond!

All hail His Perfectness and our President For Life!
72

open,

west coast 28/01/2008 00:05:13
Nicola Sturgeon (lawyer)and her legal sidekick MacAskill(lawyer) should start were the biggest fraud of all takes place and makes the £100 million she suggests PALE by comparison.Were exactly does she pluck these figures from?

She has been supporting her lawyer buddies fleecing Scotlands people in a MULTI BILLION pound scam. A scam that their Chief Executive MILL who heads the scam is running away from by tendering his resignation this week.That before the new Scottish Legal Complaints Commission starts in October 2008 by coincidence the same date he hopes to resign.

While Sturgeon points the finger at other professions it draws the attention of her own LEGAL profession and suggests her and her legal friends have the highest probity when the SNP have failed to curtail the utter excess's of the legal parasites who really KNOW how to defraud the public purse.

Ask Sturgeon why she stood up in parliament some time back justifying increasing the lawyers gravy train LEGAL AID while the following day in the newspaper she slates Two Jobs (Gordon)Jackson for his gross misuse of legal aid earning him far more than his MSP salary.

LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS

Masonic judges OUT Juries IN
73

Non!!,

East Britain 28/01/2008 07:51:18
Why don't we employ (say) 10,000 extra staff (average salary £35,000 plus benefits) with appropriate management (say 500 at an average salary £100,000 plus benefits) plus a supervisory quango at a cost of (say) £2M (plus whatever they can get away with in expenses) to stamp out this abominable crime.That's a good New Labour solution.Let's get on with it!
74

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 28/01/2008 11:16:08
Galactic Cannibal @ 58

Are you on the 'brown acid" YET AGAIN?!?!

You are a misinformed numptie. I am NOT a deserter. Although born and educated in England and Scotland I do not consider myself as having deserted but am merely an "ex-pat".

What utter nonsense you Americans spout at every opportunity. Go back to your drugs and your dreary life and stop fomenting such utter drivel.

God, you even surpass George "Baby" Bush in utter stupidity and irrelevance - and THAT is no mean feat.

Now go back to your drugged sleep and let those of us who have something to contribute to the world get on with it, cretin.
75

Daksar,

Perth 28/01/2008 23:48:07
Most Americans are descended from deserters then?
76

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 29/01/2008 09:38:12
Hello Daksar,

Would that also hold true for Aussies?

Cheers from the Rockies
77

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 29/01/2008 09:43:16
Hello Tim in Ottawa,

My dear fellow, it is YOU who are living in the Land of Socially Progressive Jack Booted Thugs, who are trying OUTSIDE of the Court System, to put a man in Jail for using his Freedom of Speech (which is now no longer possible in Canada) Rights; Ezra Levant is the man's name.

The Canadian Human Rights Commission has Judicial Fiat, and is NOW doing its best to strip Canadians even further, of their Right to Free Speech.

I'll agree that Galactic isn't all that coherent much of the time, but considering that you're suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, which precludes your ability to view rationally, with anything coming out of the White House.

It is truly a Pity when normally intelligent people go off the deep end, fueled by bigotries and hatreds of America and American Freedoms.

I hope you get help soonest.

Cheers from the Rockies

 

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