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Darling in £12bn VAT Christmas giveaway



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Published Date: 23 November 2008
ALISTAIR Darling will tomorrow cut the level of VAT in time for Christmas as part of a multi-billion-pound bid to kick-start spending and revive the economy.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that the Chancellor is preparing to use his annual Pre-Budget Report (PBR) to cut VAT from 17.5p to 15p, reducing the cost of goods and services across Britain.

As the cut can be introduced with immediate effect, the move will give shoppers and retailers a boost ahead of the festive period.

But the annual cost to the Treasury could hit £12bn and cause public borrowing to rocket beyond £115bn next year.

And Conservative leader David Cameron will oppose the measure, arguing the tax cut is a "tax con" which will have to be paid for in massive tax rises within the next year.

In his PBR, Darling will concede that tax cuts are for a limited period only and that they must be paid for through increased taxes or lower Government spending in years to come.

But he will argue that the economy requires an immediate shot in the arm to prevent recession slipping into depression. In a speech tomorrow, Prime Minister Gordon Brown will also warn that "doing too little, too late, would mean more damage, more deterioration".

Taking into account other measures, Darling's multi- billion-pound giveaway is expected to exceed £15bn but will stop well short of the £30bn expected by some in Government.

The Chancellor is expected to announce further, short-term measures to boost spending, including a further freeze on fuel duty. MPs are also putting pressure on him to increase the income tax threshold from its current level of £6,000 in order to take more low income households out of tax altogether.

The Government is also set to create new teams of rapid response units to deal with the expected increase in layoffs being forced upon small and medium-size firms. The teams will go into companies and attempt to find redundant staff new jobs or retrain them.

But it will be the measure to slash VAT to 15% – the lowest allowed under EU law – which will get the most attention. The Chancellor is expected to argue that the move will help lower income families most because the cost of VAT falls more heavily on their shoulders than it does on better-off homes.

Barbara McQuillan, a tax partner at Henderson Loggie Chartered Accountants, said: "A reduction of 2.5% to 15% would be welcome. A temporary reduction in VAT on certain goods and services might stimulate spend and help certain sectors if, for example, VAT was reduced or suspended on home improvement and property conversions. This would no doubt be most welcome in the construction sector."

Darling is believed to have stipulated that the cut in VAT is only for the next few months. Although this week's cut will be met entirely from borrowing, the Chancellor will tell the Commons tomorrow that, in the longer-term, he intends to reduce that deficit.

The cut would have an immediate effect on the High Street. The cost of a BMW 325i retailing at £12,995 would be reduced by £276 under Darling's plans. An I-Pod touch costing £160 would be £3.40 cheaper. A pair of leather boots retailing at £115 would cost £112.50 after a cut.

The move to cut VAT will pile further pressure on the Conservative leadership of David Cameron and George Osborne who have argued that tax cuts now, funded by borrowing, are wrong.

However, yesterday the move was given backing by former Chancellor of the Exchequer Ken Clarke. Clarke said: "If it's possible to afford a fiscal stimulus, I would go for VAT because the only case for a fiscal stimulus is to stimulate spending and consumer demand so the tax on spending is the one to go for. But it should be temporary."

But Phillip Hammond, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said: "We are in favour of funded tax cuts. But tax cuts paid for by borrowing today will mean tax hikes and misery in the future for families and businesses. That's why unfunded tax cuts are a tax con, not a tax cut."


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1

FTH22inarow,

23/11/2008 01:40:21
2.5 % off vat whoo hoo, that'll really help those struggling to pay for food( zero vat), well done
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

23/11/2008 01:45:24
Absolutely right, FTH22inarow. All those people whose incomes are entirely spent on VAT exempt and zero rated goods are filked. On the other hand, we humans who do buy things that are subject to VAT will benefit. You know, grown ups who buy socks, and shirts, and suchlike.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 01:46:46

God! Where is everybody? 1.45am and no comments!

Christmas Parting already on this Good News, are we?

Well my comment is!,....

...It IS a start in the right direction, some that I wont mention of a Scottish Flavour, in my opinion, would, if in power, do not very much, not very much atall, we have had a taste of that, have we not, regarding certain Banks,?

Don't Worry though!, The 'New-Bridge', is doing very well! :))



4

FTH22inarow,

23/11/2008 01:52:34
I'm off to buy a bmw, look at the saving
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 01:53:37

My comment was hit by a network problem, hence the long delay, so I am not first to comment, afterall! :((


6

Mapkaz ,

Hmmmmmmm 23/11/2008 01:55:17

Well Fifi nobody spends all their money on VAT exempt goods but it will help with the fuel bills and yes clothes too .

However I think a cut in income tax would be more beneficial .

What would be even more beneficial would be a cut in government duty in fuel and gas electricity etc we shall see what is in the budget but I think this will cost small business more because I cant see him dropping vat on tobbacco and alchohol so small business like the corner shop has to do their books and contend with two vat rates
7

zeitgeist,

Scotland 23/11/2008 02:02:22
Forget the mainstream media guff, read this:

http://cynicuseconomicus.blogspot.com/2008/11/economic-crisis-as-expected-government.html
8

JWW,

Whitburn,West Lothian, 55.86667 -3.68500 23/11/2008 02:18:13
Why are our masters determined to keep people spending the money that has been artificially created?

Have they inadvertently revealed their Achilles heel?
9

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 02:37:28
Salmond "no longer in the press"


His days "have gone"


10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 02:44:20


I see, one, has upset one! :)

Gods-Sake! (pardon God, I know it is Sunday),..

Take my comments with the realism an humour they are!


11

FTH22inarow,

23/11/2008 02:44:54
Of course everything will be cheap if people are exploited elsewhere China/India, the fact that nothing is manfactured in the west anymore is why this crisis occurred in the first place. Why do we still send charitable aid to India when they have more billionaires/millionaires than any other country in the world?
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 02:47:11

BTW! my last comment was not directed to you,..

Another Saturday Night @#41.


13

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 02:51:33
Charles

Good day to you.

Salmond spends a weekend with Goldfish.

Headline news in Skye.

Salmond, on a pressing schedule, took time to talk with the the fish, who were eager to know about the lastest bid prospect for HBOS
14

Guga II,

Rockall 23/11/2008 03:13:16
#42 Charlie.

I saw your picture in the Herald. You look in quite good nick for a 95 year old.
15

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 03:19:21
Salmond was praised by Obama today.

"Thankfully the fool didn't say anything today", Obama said between important meetings
16

Glad-Im-an Expat,

Qatar 23/11/2008 03:35:33
Hang on - If you have 160 pounds to hand to spend on an i-pod im pretty sure your not going to be bothered bout saving 3.40! Whats that now adays, a pint of milk and a loaf of bread!
17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 04:02:58

Guga II ~46,

Thankyou!
18

DGR,

Coolangatta 23/11/2008 04:03:46
Cardinal Morton, aka Gordon Brown, believed/practiced in tax and tax and more tax. Stealth taxes his speciality. Now he's suddenly gone into reverse. Can you trust him? A vacation in Broadmoor is whhat he needs
19

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 04:09:12
Daily Record exclusive

Salmond "may" have a school dinner next week.

His PR representative declined to comment, or accept a BLT sandwich (which the orphans of Bosnia had all saved to buy with their part-time work moving heavy steel, 18 hours a day).

Obama was quick to say, "this guy Salmond sounds like he has no feeling for people"
20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 04:13:39


Another Saturday Night ~45,

Funnily enough!, They do say,..'eating too much fish', makes one 'Bald', hence. even that I love "fish", I am wary of what might happen on 'Top' if you become dependant on them,

Mind you! with the, 'New-Bridge' Salmond opened last week, it is all, for him,...'water-under-the-bridge'!

Hence His Name!

:)

21

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 23/11/2008 04:22:13
3.40 off the cost of an ipod!

Better rush to the shops before they are all gone!

276 quid of a Beemer, the dealers will have to take on extra staff to deal with the mad rush!

How about a real tax cut, and a spending cut to balance it ?

Like removing VAT completely from Electricity and Gas, they are after all as essential as food, and then sacking a load of Whitehall Jobsworths to pay for it.

When you enjoy your savings remember to thank your kids, they will be paying for it with higher taxes later.
22

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 04:23:04
Charles.

I am a "skinhead" so "no worries" with "the fish"

The fish "eye" has the most protein

A tuna eye is "not to be looked over"
23

democracy,

Scottish Borders 23/11/2008 05:39:53
Of course, Darling will not mention the tens of thousands of jobs in Scotland that he and Brown will be instrumental in removing once the HBOS is bought over by the smaller company, the LloydsTSB.

They themselves had to be bailed out, but in essence the Government are giving them enough tax-payers money to achieve a leveraged buy-out of the larger company HBOS,which it wouln't otherwise could have done, and who, after such a deal, will lose its head office status in Edinburgh, to one that will be in London, and is a Westminster driven agenda, all with tax-payers money for the benefit solely of the shareholders, WHY ??????

One would almost think that this type of take-over should be illegal.

As you can see, it is cynical, political, opportunism by Brown and Darling to weaken Scotland as there is at present a nationalist Government at Holyrood!

This reminds one of a statement made previously in our history when, from Westminster, it was remarked, where Scotland was being disadvantaged, that "It was a price worth paying" Well, we will see what all the unemployed banking sector workers think about it!

My best guess would be that this manoeuvre will back fire on New Labour, big style, and will cost them dear at the hands of the Scottish people and much of England when they are ousted as a disgrace, at the next election!
24

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 05:41:50
Wow, cut a whole 2.5 % off before Christmas, call a March election, and he reckons Labour voters are such idiots they'll vote for him. Like they are not going to realise he's going to have to increase taxes and slash spending next year, and this is just a sweetie before the jag at the docs, as if we are all wee weans.
25

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 05:44:04
Tomorrow is the start of Labour's election campaign. If I was David Cameron I would hope Brown won it. Truly he should, he deserves to inherit the incredible mess he has made. Scotland should vote SNP.
26

drunken proffet,

Tassy 23/11/2008 05:52:54
I dont know if I should add to those postings. There is a limit to standards that even a drunken proffet would be willing to accept. However as a wee addition to government solutions to critical problems I will remind you off an older generation that the government solution to the problems in the late seventies when the whole industrial base of the UK was in meltdown was to increase the workers holidays, introduce employment protection (which didnae work), bring in credit cards so you could spend your way out of their problems and another one which slips my mind. I thought I would mention it so you can judge whether or not they are looking after your employers, or looking for votes at the next election.
27

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 07:31:05
Vote "SNP"

Just don't "pretend" to be an "idiot"

"Act" like "one."
28

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 07:42:42
Another superb move by messers Darling and Brown.

How refreshing to have political leaders actively addressing the problems of the economy with real measures like these.

People should stick to what they are good at. Thats why Salmond spent the last week posing With Maradona Posters and opening bridges.
29

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:11:17
RTF

You are right there, mate

Bridges and cucumber sandwich parties from "Superficial" Salmond.

Brown and Darling- out dealing with issues
30

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:22:23
ASN, Oil is heading to $40 a barrel.

Imagine if we Independence now. Our banks would be bankrupt and the income from oil would be negligible.

Palestine would have a stronger economy.
31

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 08:25:03
#61 ASN

Of Broon's making........

I haven't seen such a case of the collective amnesia currently afflicting the Labour Party since the last outbreak in Germany back in '45.
32

Phil C,

23/11/2008 08:29:06
Ho! Ho! Ho! Mr Badger/Zebra has become Santa Claus, bearing gifts to all at Christmas. His pal Pa Broon is his little elf.

This bunch of Labour Loonies are becoming more of a liability to our country every day. First they wreck, then wreck a bit more, then borrow a big wallop to plug the holes they make, then wreck and lie some more.....

And some eejits posting here slurp at their fountain!! Jeez, is there any hope with idiots like that around?
33

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:37:28
"Spud Face" Salmond has tried to con the nation/union

"Good" Gordon is dealing with each issue carefully as it arises.
34

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/11/2008 08:40:19
If the aim of VAT cuts is to get the poor to spend then that's a blunt instrument Darling is using. I propose to put in some central heating and will now wait for B&Q to lower material prices, so I shan't complain. Well, not until the next tax hike to pay for these cuts.

There are NO free dinners. EVERYTHING has a cost of some sort.
35

The Accountant,

Gods Country - AKA The Kingdom of Fife 23/11/2008 08:40:27
Dunno about boosting the economy but it means I will have to issue revised standing order mandates to all clients who pay me by monthly payment.

Oh woe is me!
36

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:41:47
RTF

Imagine it.

Yes, we have oil.

How much is it worth?

Not much.

OK, then.

Salmond's idea......

37

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:43:51
ASN. . . Gordon Brown meets with the G20 leaders, whilst Alex Salmond listens to his G4 music collection.
38

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:46:01
#67 More fool you then!

You should have used Direct Debits. Easily adjustable.
39

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:47:41
Salmond clutches at his last cheese bagel.

The mold is cutting in.

The Crofters are losing patience.

His good news is that Bing Crosby was see alive in the Great Eastern Hotel.

Elvis on Tuesdays
40

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:49:15
RTF

Yes, DDs.

But the obvious is "too much to accept" for the "Slaves of Salmond"
41

Rufus T. Firefly,

23/11/2008 08:50:23
Gordon Brown meets with world leaders from Germany, France, USA in Washington.

Salmond meets with representatives from such Power houses as Jersey, Isle of Man and Guernsey in South Queensferry.
42

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 08:59:32
Salmond spends the day working on saving Nardinis. He likes Largs. The people there don't like "Slimey" Salmond.

"Thick Skinned" Salmond keeps up the campaign.

Brown deals with global issues.

All in a "day's work"
43

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 23/11/2008 08:59:34
65# have you stopped taking your pills,because planet Zog does not exist.Join the human race ,you might like it
44

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 09:03:35
#75

Crofter

Do you have newpapers?
45

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 09:05:45
"Unlucky third light" Salmond has lost all credibility
46

Unimpressed one,

23/11/2008 09:12:59
Zero VAT rating on gas and electricity prices for at least 6 months would have been a better option.
47

Union is ­Best,

23/11/2008 09:13:16
60. Rufus - great post!

I see Brown and Darling have doubled bonuses to the civil servants responsible for Northern Rock! Thats what we are all about - wearding achievement!

You are spot on of course with regard to team GB! Selling the gold at a record low, increasing tax on the poorest by abolition of the 10p tax rate while cutting inheritance tax on millionnaires, 8 months of bumbling on Northern Rock, presiding over the collapse of the banking industry in large part caused by their own regulation! A magisterial record of achievement, of which the VAT cut some 4 months after everyone else advised tax cuts, is genius!
48

The Strategist,

23/11/2008 09:14:02
The firm that made the graphics for Labour's annual conference in Manchester, which took place under the banner "Winning the fight for Britain's future", has just gone out of business!

£54m collected by the Treasury in payment for carbon licences will not now be going towards supporting the development of clean energy technologies but will be added to Gordon's bank support fund... This of course is different to an oil fund.
49

brownlie,

23/11/2008 09:28:52
79 Union is Best

Yes, genius is our new unionist buzz-word. At a stroke Gordon Brown has solved the world's problems by cutting VAT by 2.5%. Congratulations are flooding in from all over the world at this exciting news and Britain's pensioners are saved a long, lingering death.

Gordon has truly put the Great back into Great Britain as we lead the world again.

No wonder unionist hearts are swelling with pride and we need no longer refer to Salmond as fat - our only real message up to now.

50

Gaelforce,

Paradise via hawaii & Dumbarton 23/11/2008 09:33:55
# ASN & RTF
I have just read your post's and I have got to say you guys must live in a bubble, it's because of eejit's like you That Scotland is in the mess it's in, if Gordo (Your Master) said jump you would ask how high, talk about brain dead. at least here in the US they are getting rid of the dead wood.
51

The Strategist,

23/11/2008 09:34:37
Utterly brilliant... Brown's answer to a financial crisis caused by overspending and regulatory stupidity will be solved by increasing spending and sucking in more imports!

52

It's me!,

23/11/2008 09:35:29
Darling isn't giving away anything.He is just letting us keep a few coppers of our own money.And we are supposed to roll over and be grateful.No. The games up the pole. (any if Darling was really working class he would know what that means).
53

Union is ­Best,

23/11/2008 09:40:32
81. Brownlie

I suggest that we keep going with fat as our main message, just in case anyone notices that we have been in charge of banking and the economy for the last 11 years!
54

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 09:45:27
82 Ta you stopped me from having to point out that those two are clearly away with the budgies. Tweet Tweet.
55

brownlie,

23/11/2008 09:51:35
86 Observer 1

Rubbish!! - these two, acting as one, are the most potent weapon in our unionist armoury. Thousands of readers here are splitting their side with laughter at all their posts.
56

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 09:54:24
Salmond is an old lonely man.
57

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 09:54:32
87 Sorry I am new here, thank you for explaining that they are the comic turn - I was thinking they were serious, silly me.
58

We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 09:55:08
"This is total garbage and the height of hypocrisy from the Labour Party."
59

Jimmy Le Pie,

23/11/2008 09:57:51
I think Comrade Broon should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for re-inventing economics.

He makes Keynes, Adam Smith etc look like turnip farmers.

"Privatise profit and nationalise loss" is a much better slogan than "I've abolished boom and bust".

I think I'll head out and max out all my credit cards as Comrade Broon has saved the world!
60

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23/11/2008 09:59:55
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We are responsible for ourselves.,

23/11/2008 10:00:12
Chuffing flip, has anyone had a comment on the SundayHerald today?
62

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23/11/2008 10:00:32
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:01:10
89 Observer

You are welcome as long as you point out in every post that Salmond is not exactly slim - unlike all effective politicians. A good example of effective posting is that intelligent contribution at #88.
64

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23/11/2008 10:02:55
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Union is ­Best,

23/11/2008 10:05:40
95. I liked post 88! Why we should we Unionistsbe drawn into commenting on the collapse of banking, soaring energy bills, and recession? It is not as if we have been running things, is it! Far better we focus on Salmond's girth and personality, and these things will surely point the way and demonstrate the positive, vibrant vision we Unioniss have for Scotland, which is generally to small, poor and rubbish!

Scottih Unionists - Avanti the Union! You have to spin it to win it!
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23/11/2008 10:05:53
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:06:40
95 I am a refugee from the Herald. The unionist style of posting there was to call Salmond fat and mention Sean Connery a lot. I wonder if there is a forum anywhere that has intelligent unionist debate, or is that like the holy grail, a myth.
68

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:07:41
98 perhaps all the drink has left him baffled.
69

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23/11/2008 10:09:00
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23/11/2008 10:10:43
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WSS,

sandbach 23/11/2008 10:12:23
When firms are cutting prices by 20% the proposed vat decrease of two and a half % is a waste of time.
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23/11/2008 10:12:51
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23/11/2008 10:13:19
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brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:13:48
100 Observer

"baffled" was a good moniker as it applied to the poster and the readers.
75

brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:19:02
99 Obsever

Have you tried AM2's blog. Sadly, you will not find any intelligent unionist debate there either so you're as well sticking to the Another Rufus Saturday Entertainment crowd.
76

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:19:04
102 I will attempt to find one, but it is tedious work. Sam is on the BNP thread.

77

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 10:19:50
107 - is that blog for real, I thought it may have been a satirical fake ?
78

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:20:04
I only post facts.

Salomond is bad news
79

Union is ­Best,

23/11/2008 10:22:08
110. The wisdom of Solamondi?

Nice rebuttal with "I only post facts" - it will divert all attention from banking collapse, recession and economic incompetence, for which the UK government had no responsibility anyway!

We spin to win!
80

Col. Blimp­IV*,

23/11/2008 10:33:13
testing...
81

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:36:02
Col

No time for "testing"

Real "policies" needed

Salomandy is nowhere to be seen.

Good, we say

82

brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:37:55
133 asn

The diet must be working - bad news all round.
83

brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:39:08
114 Should read 113 asn. Thank the Lord we have Darling to do our counting for us.
84

Roseblue,

London 23/11/2008 10:41:00
Salmond is an idiot he has made Scotland look pathetic and weak, the Banks were taken right from under his nose without one word leaving that foolish mouth of his and yet you still have fools saying how great he is. Scotland will not get Independence that has been blown out of the water London is taking control.
85

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:43:14
Don't count your chickens before they are fat.

Salmond- remember that
86

brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:43:40
116 roseblue

Stirring stuff!! Name and shame the fools thus converting them to unionism!
87

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:45:23
Obama- "I can't this fat man seriously. Surely the people in the UK can see through his jiggery pockery"
88

Macbeth 1616,

Fife 23/11/2008 10:46:33
The big issue seems to be that everyone has stopped spending. If a cut in VAT increases spending by even a small amount then some firms will survive, and will not have to lay off more people.

A reduction in income tax will boost the income of those already in work but it won't make them spend that extra income.

The family spending all their government provided income on VAT-free goods cannot benefit from reduced VAT nor from income tax cuts.

The money needs to be made to circulate.



89

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:46:34
(sic)
90

Col. Blimp­IV*,

23/11/2008 10:47:45
thanks mr sweary-word filter...I was begining to despair.

Also, thanks for the VAT holiday Big Al,this is great, I can now buy that new games console package for £230 instead of £235...without any tedious shopping around.

And services to the poor and vulnerable will only have to be cut by as little as £12 Billion...what a masterstroke...

...Eat your heart out Scrooge, There's a new Santa Claus in town.
91

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 23/11/2008 10:48:06
So your out of work or your job is threatened, your bills are up umpteen % you have cut out any form of entertainment or luxuries. cut backs have to be made on spending on the kids at xmas you will be over the moon by the cut in VAT.....NOT.
Do not forget that 2.5% given now will give Gordon and Alistair the licence to tax 10 to 15% later to cover ALL of the borrowings they have made and the wasteage the caused in the previous 10Years ...HARDER IMES ARE AHEAD
92

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:48:49
#120

Shakespeare

Circulation will improve living condiitons and reduce heating costs.

Spot on
93

brownlie,

23/11/2008 10:53:26
119 ASN

Your constant references to Obama are so transparently untrue that you should stick to the "Salmond is fat" mantra. You should also try words like "obese" and "immense". There's a good boy!
94

bluehead,

edinburgh 23/11/2008 10:54:33
beware of politicians bearing gifts,especially labour ones!!you will have to pay back the so-called gifts ten fold,or more, if anything has been proved at this latest fiasco,is that the labours arithmetic has been sadly neglected,and they should be returned to primary school for more lessons,
number one rule upon this earth is that you cannot borrow yourself out of debt,a small child could have told them that,
this goverment is a disgrace!!!
95

ppink,

23/11/2008 10:56:49

London in Control control exterminate exterminate. You wish.

All because of 7K 'postal' votes.

Bring on Jack 'Malawi' MacConnell then.

96

Bermuda Bie,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 10:57:41
by the way where is Chubby Cheeks these days? Walking on his new piece of property with nice sand dunes and a soon to be golf course? He has certainly gone quiet since he did away with the tolls on the Forth Road Bridge. (His greatest acheievment one imagines!!!)
97

Another Saturday Night,

23/11/2008 10:58:41
Salmond is fat- Obama
98

Dood,

23/11/2008 11:09:45
This man should not be taken seriously until those ridiculous slugs are removed from above his eyes.

Ludicrous.
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Union is ­Best,

23/11/2008 11:10:20
129, 126 - ASN, Rosey

great posts - pointless, tinged throughout with bitterness and negativity! Just the right tone! We Unionists must insult and spin when we have nothing actually to say. Better to appear repulsive than not to appear at all I say! Avanti the Union!
100

Ananurhing,

23/11/2008 11:13:45
Just incredible!! Record national debt getting on for two and a half trillion. Broon's answer to this is to cut taxes, and borrow even more!!!!! Whilst waging war, giving Scotland a kicking, overseeing huge job losses, looming pensions time bomb, and a rapidly shrinking economy.(I see the FTSE's head has just gone under again. How many times is that?)

Broon needs help. He's in denial and just can't kick his "habits". Blame someone else for your troubles (America), and carry on as before. Prudence??? More like the economic policies of a heroin addict! He's already robbed the grannies, now it's the turn of the homeowners and businesses. He's like a one man crimewave!
Every junkie's like a setting sun! I wish he'd just hurry up and fade away!
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 23/11/2008 11:16:08
129 you are baffled aren't you.

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Col. Blimp­IV*,

23/11/2008 11:22:18
#120 Macbeth 1616

The trouble with Christmas is that even poor people have to spend, frequently more than they can afford an often more than they have.

Darling could have boosted Christmas spending on the cheap by compensating last years Fairpack victims and removing or at least heavily reducing VAT on domestic fuel bills.

That way less would have to shop at Brighthouse or get loans from the Sub-Prime lenders like Greenwoods, Provident etc...£500 repaid over 26 months = £750...Merry Christmas!..,what did you say the Bank rate was?
103

Col. Blimp­IV*,

23/11/2008 11:23:05
26 weeks
104

ppink,

23/11/2008 11:26:13
Not being nice to Mr Salmond lads so:-

Broon the Goon has a face like a Proon
Mandelssohn the Lord wields a double edged sword
Campbell the spinner has slime in his innards
Darling crawls, blue-black eyebrowed, low in accord
105

whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

23/11/2008 11:28:43
A move designed to encourage everyone to get into more hock buying electrical goods ( playstations etc) for xmas. This government want to keep us enslaved to the banks through debt.
106

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 23/11/2008 11:44:47
The 'slashing'of VAT in the retail trade is a sham. I doubt if shops will pass it on particularly on the cheaper goods. In America the equivilant sales tax is added on at the till. The price you see on the shelf eg $50 will be shown on the receipt as $50 plus the relevant sales tax. If it was the same system in the UK and the VAT shown separately shops would have to pass it on.
107

ian k,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 11:53:44
Come on the games afoot
108

i a n,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 12:13:54
"An I-Pod touch costing £160 would be £3.40 cheaper. A pair of leather boots retailing at £115 would cost £112.50 after a cut [i.e. a saving of £2.50]."

"Darling in £12bn VAT Christmas giveaway"
"...measure to slash VAT to 15%"

Giveaway? Slash? You are joking are you not?






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The Strategist,

23/11/2008 12:17:27
#140

An I-pod is of course a US product probably manufactured in China. So Brown is encouraging more imports at a time when we have a record trade deficit!
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Joey Pica,

RePo House, Queer Street. 23/11/2008 12:22:41

When the packet of Chocolate Digestives comes done by a penny a packet - the whole of the UK benefits!

Shame the price of gas doubled this year though.
111

Humphrey,

Eastleigh UK 23/11/2008 12:23:11
So we are to be grateful for a temporary reduction of VAT are we?

Let us all remember that in 1991 Norman Lamont increased VAT from 15% to 17.5% in order to provide revenue for the 'Community Charge Reduction Scheme'. This was intended to compensate local authorities suffering from the fall-out of heavy defaults on the iniquitous 'poll tax'.

Since the poll tax was scrapped some years ago, it logically follows that the VAT rate should have been re-adjusted down to 15% but, as we all know, this never happened. It was a complete scam to retain the VAT rate at 17.5% anyway, and in my opinion this an illegal tax rate due to the real reason it was increased to this level in the first place. Just one con trick after another.

A hefty slash in fuel duty is one of the answers, or better still lets have free energy as devised by the one and only Nicola Tesla. Unfortunately the cartels got to him first.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/11/2008 12:52:17
This sucks.

Personally I wasn't contemplating taking part in a government-sponsored Xmas consumer spending spree. I already WASN'T going to buy iPods, TV's, white goods or any other number of consumer goodies that I'm happy to forego at this time. A reduction in VAT does nothing to change my mind on that score. However, many others will go on a consumer blitz because cashflow strapped retailers - in conjunction with a government cut in VAT - will see many more consumer lemmings wrestling with each other at the cash registers to jump into the forthcoming financial abyss.

If the only victims in this were the lemmings then fine. But it's not just them is it ? Why the heck should *I* be facing certain tax-rises to pay for a short-term consumer adrenalin rush in which *I* will take no part, gain *no* benefit from, and which *I* condemn absolutely ?