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Pat Nevin: Silence anything but golden for Mixu as Hibs struggle to find right tactics



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Published Date: 16 November 2008
THE IMPACT of crowds on football games has excited the media more than usual over the past few weeks. Some of the amazing atmospheres have been offset by the offensive and sectarian chants that have poisoned some matches.
There have been random acts of stupidity, specifically the drunken Celtic fan's one-man pitch invasion, that have been as embarrassing as they have been costly to his club. Thankfully the days of idiots like these being cheered as they are led off to
an uncomfortable appointment in the back of a police van are long gone.

A number of fans down south also made me feel nauseous this week when I heard some of their remarks after Didier Drogba 'returned' a coin to the Burnley support. The Chelsea forward will be punished and he will deserve it, but a bit of perspective is needed. He wasn't trying to hurt anyone, whereas the idiots who threw the coins clearly were.

I am certainly not an apologist for Drogba, but there was a picture in many papers showing the Burnley fans as he chucked the change back. Along with the coins, it was clear that there was also hatred, vitriol, expletives and hand gestures aimed at the striker. He was weak for reacting, but many of those who were quick to contact the phone-ins, were loathsome in their hypocrisy.

Having said that, as a football fan at heart, it was the passion in the stands that I missed most when I became a player. There is something wonderful about being in the middle of that madness and for me it is often as enjoyable as being the focal point on the field used to be.

In five years at Chelsea I only missed a couple of games through injury. On both occasions, much to the amazement of my team-mates, I hobbled round and watched the game from the middle of the Shed End. I could hear people whispering 'that looks like… isn't that?… no it can't be.' And to my surprise and delight they left me alone to shout and bawl and sing along.

Part of the joy of being in the crowd are those unscripted moments when something unusual and unexpected happens. At Celtic Park in the recent Manchester United game the home side were running out of energy with 12 minutes to go. Suddenly from the stands came an extraordinary eardrum-bursting roar to spur the team on, it was as if 60,000 people all had precisely the same thought at exactly the same time. It wasn't a song or a chant but simply an extended explosion of noise and it was precisely what the players needed to lift them.

Another phenomenon that is so rare that I have only witnessed it once is when the supporters actually cheer an abject defeat, and not with irony. At Chelsea we were challenging for Europe when we came a cropper over Easter. A 4-0 defeat at home was followed by a 6-0 defeat away at QPR, the jokes about Jesus not being the only one to be crucified in that period were coming thick and fast. However, the fans decided that jeering wasn't what was needed. Instead of booing they sang their hearts out and bounced constantly for the final 30 minutes of the QPR game. There were no recriminations from the manager afterwards; just one quietly delivered rhetorical question: "We are not going to put those fans through that again, are we?" And we didn't.

Unexpected reactions from the fans are not always as positive. Hearts have been struggling to find direction for a very long time now, so three points, however they are garnered, are usually universally welcomed at Tynecastle. But on Wednesday, following the 1-0 win over Hamilton, a result that took them to fourth place in the SPL, there were boos ringing in the players' ears as they left the field. By all accounts it was a far from impressive performance. The Hearts fans have not been fooled and are acutely aware that the league table is so incredibly tight it can easily give a skewed vision of your team's abilities.

Only a few weeks ago on the other side of the capital, Hibs were sitting near the top of the league but the majority of fans sitting around me in the East Stand were not impressed either. There has been more anger and frustration than I can recall at the ground for many years, maybe even going as far back as the Bobby Williamson era.

The fans are confused. There are good players available, particularly in forward areas, but the systems used have left many scratching their heads. The changes made, and some of those not made, have been equally puzzling for the fans, even if the obvious chronic lack of width they have been screaming about may have finally been addressed by the signing of Jonatan Johansson who will join in January.

Dean Shiels is a player whose talent and workrate I respect. This season Mixu Paatelainen has regularly played him at the front of a midfield diamond, the pivotal position in that formation. This is the player who should control the match, its tempo and its outcome with game awareness and football intelligence. Instead of being constantly involved 'Deano' has struggled to get into games, but instead of moving or resting the player, the manager has left him to chase shadows for long periods.

It is just one of a long list of technical complaints that fill the stands as well as the message boards almost every week now.

On Wednesday night at Tannadice something unexpected happened, this time with the Hibs fans around me, as Dundee United outclassed them. The frustration and the fury just seemed to drain away. The anger at the somewhat surprising team selection, which involved five changes from the previous Saturday, faded and even the gallows humour usually so evident in defeat, was absent. At the end of the game there was a deathly silence from the large travelling support and I suspect it was not a good sign for Mixu.

Hibs may continue to have good as well as bad results because they have some talented individuals such as Derek Riordan and Steven Fletcher. But the manager will quickly have to figure out a way of getting the best out of his charges tactically, or else that silence which was far from golden will be replaced by the most common and predictable reaction from fans towards a struggling manager.



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1

Private Pike,

16/11/2008 07:11:15
I have said before that Shiels was a victim of the team formation and not a culprit. He proved yesterday what a good player he is in a more conventional set up.

Those who have consistently advocated his departure from Hibs should perhaps take stock and ask themselves why their only answer to Hibs misfortunes is to get rid of players.

Yeah, we'd be better off wthout Benji, O'Brien, Beuzelin, Jones, DVZ, Zemmamma, Campbell (Ludicrously, as he's never had a real chance), Chisholm...and there are others.

Its always easier to come on here and demand the departure of the latest scapegoat but it doesn't really take the place of a match analysis.

So we have Bamba wasted at right back. Hogg wasted by being on the pitch. Likewise, Rankin. The team looked more solid with a 4-4-2 set up. So Mixus got that part OK. Now he just needs to select the right players in the right position.

Bamba and Yantorno in the midfield would be a start. Stevenson at right back and MOTM Murray in midfield would be better.

The team would be improved IMO if we had:

McNeil
Van Zanten
Myself. (Old, 5'6", Slow, Better than Hogg)
Jones
Stevenson
Sheils
Yantorno
Murray
AOB
Riordan
Fletcher

A team for 3rd place.
2

The Saint,

16/11/2008 08:06:30
You Stupid boy
Van Zanten is Nish
3

Talk o' the Toun,

16/11/2008 09:37:30
#1 P!key.... no not good enough for 3rd,,,possibly sixth....and that is assuming you relent & replace yourself (at least with the young boy playing centre half for your reserves;looked good v Hearts ).

Agree Mixu is clueless but McNeil/VZ/you/Sheils/Yant/AOB would not get a game for any of the contenders for 3rs(Hearts/Dundee Utd & Motherwell IMO)

##BTW had to change P!key as deemed unsuitable.

4

Private Pike,

16/11/2008 10:29:51
TOTT

We could debate the merits of individual players both in the Hearts team and Hibs and I would be surprised if we came to any agreement.

What I do feel is that the potential for improveent in the Hibs team is greater than Hearts. Fom my Hearts supporting next door neighbour I get the impression that Hearts are currently picking up points despite playing very, very badly. Now I never see Hearts so I'm content to take his word. He is a season ticket holder, loves Hearts and is utterly dismayed by what he is having to watch just now. More importantly, given the players you have, he doesnt see where any improvement would come from.

On the other hand, most Hibs supporters feel that we have some very good players who are being asked to play out of position and in a formation which doesn't give them a chance in games. All we need, they feel, is to put that right and we would have the best team outside the OF.

If Mixu gets the formation correct and picks the best players then I think our performances would/could be a lot better. Otherwise a new manager could be given the chance.
5

Dr No,

16/11/2008 10:53:31
Mixu could be out by Christmas the way things are going.
6

Talk o' the Toun,

16/11/2008 10:59:08
PP....where as i have several mates (season ticket holders) who consider the current group of Hibs players to be the worst in 30 years.
Lets deal in facts: Hearts are 3rd ,7 points & 6 places above Hibs.You want me to accept that this nothing to do with the quality of the Hibs squad & only down to MIXU....apparantly last season the league did not lie but this season it does...

As for your mate he is right we are not winning with style...but winning keeping a clean sheet...without a forward line... without Kingston...without our two 1st choice wide right players(miko/chesny)...Obua just back/Tullberg still to return....and half a dozen high calibre youngsters not far away(under 19's beat Celtic 3-0 yesterday).

As for your opiniuon that by simply playing the players you have in the right positions you would be 3rd...a large % of Hearts fans think(incl me ) that we are playing the wrong system/playing players out of position(Karipdas/Neilson) but a poor excuse for being 9th....in addition to an inept manager it is obvious to someone without green blinkers(that includes 100% of Hibbys i know) that your squad is simply not good enough.

7

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 16/11/2008 11:07:15
Still, as long as the hoobs were the first to wear green, have an electronic scoreboard and had their "flair" manual stolen by Brazil in the 50's everything will be OK. lol!
8

Dublin 7 Hibby,

Myles away from Dublin 16/11/2008 11:37:51
ToTT, The current HIbs squad is better than the Collins squad - it has been strengthened in all areas, after the sale of the £12m squad. That team - the Mobray team - was unusual. Young, talented, well led. Unfortunately the norm at Hibs with some exceptional eras and individuals, is pretty poor. However, with the finances in order, good investments made, and now some more money available (and I believe there is), what is needed is a manager to choose well and get the best out of the squad. Mixu ain't that manager. He is a one trick pony and when the trick doesn't work - most games - he is at a loss how to adapt. Even Collins know how to make some good changes. There are some proven managers available - Eric Black being a good dark horse - and it's time for Change We Can Believe In. Can we do it??? Yes We Can!!
9

FFF,

16/11/2008 11:53:22
Any point to #7's post other than sarcastic bitterness and hate? It's the kind of comment a kid comes out with when he's just lost an argument. Still, as long as you believe you're Masters of the Universe eh! lol
10

Talk o' the Toun,

16/11/2008 12:07:53
#8 do not disagree that the current squad is under performing primarily because of a poor manager,agree that opportunity there to change manager & if funds available add two or three quality players(incl a decent keeper) at which point Hibs could challenge for 3rd place. Disagree current position is purely down to MIXU a does not reflect a substandard squad of players.
11

Private Pike,

16/11/2008 15:23:28
TOTT
A bit disappointed in you over this. Do you watch Hibs? Are you so familiar with the merits of the individual players that you can state that they are not good enough? I don't watch Hearts so I have no valid opinion on the talents of the team. I quoted my next door neighbour.

Nearly all the Hibs support think the team selection, tactics and formation is having a very bad effect on the team. You disgree with them. How do you know?

Read #10, again. Can you spot the contradiction? Unless you are going to pedantically distinguish between "Purely" and "Primarily".
12

Talk o' the Toun,

17/11/2008 07:07:27
PP: CONRADICTION: there is none. The peimary reason is MIXU but it is not the purely down to same...(ie also due to quality of squad.)

Can you spot your contradiction....you conclude that with the right manager that Hibs would have the 3rd best squad in Scotland....in other words better than Hearts/Dundee Utd/Motherwell etc ....do you watch them?...no of course you do not ...you make an opinion on the few times you have seen them/their results/their league positions....therein lies where i get my opinion...Hibs current squad re ninth....i have seen them v Hearts and any time they have been live on TV...i have seen their reserves v Hearts/i have mates who have been season tickets for in xs of 3o0 years who know their football/normally talk uo Hibs & think worst squad for 30 years.

If you believe that all Hibs need to be the 3rd best team in Scotland is a change of tactics then PP you IMO remain well of the mark.
13

Tynie,

Robbo's Bar 17/11/2008 11:12:32
Nevin, Murdo Macleod, Collins, Grant Stott all have one thing in common - they think the Hobos have a God-given right to be top 6

From what I've seen of your squad they are mostly second-rate. Over previous years other clubs might have looked enviously at your midield - now not a single one now is memorable. Nameless other than Sheils who still wouldn't get a game for us, Well, Dons or Arabs. Your much-vaunted front 3 consist of a one-footed striker, unfit alkie and unfit smoker. You have the slowest defenders in the SPL

And your goalies are a joke

Personally I think this modern talk of squad rotation and formations is meaningless. Gived me a settled squad of 14 playing in the same positions any day

You could have Sir Alex Ferguson as your manager - with that squad it would make no difference
14

Private Pike,

17/11/2008 14:13:57
TOTT Were just goung to agree to disagree.

One thing though. You should ask all those friends of yours who have been season ticket holders since 1978 approx.

What about the Hibs teams of the late 70s, all through the 80s and up to the late 90s.

I do believe you have stumbled apon a group of Hibby's who, when thinking of the past, first put on their rose tinted spectacles. The Hibs teams of those times were dire.
15

Talk o' the Toun,

17/11/2008 16:51:52
PP: think it must be the same specs as you use for the current squad. However accept that my opinion on Hibs players does not carry much weight and for the record i think you are only a Goalie & a midfielder away from competing for 3rd.



 

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