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Pat Nevin: Bottles, bricks and why a cauldron of hate can make you play 10% better



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Published Date: 09 November 2008
ONCE AGAIN the atmosphere at Celtic Park was extraordinary on Wednesday night when Manchester United came calling. The white noise and tangible passion of these European occasions have to be experienced first hand to be understood and the whole show had the desired effect on the home side. The players found that extra 10 percent they needed to withstand the second half onslaught and gain a point. But wait a minute, I thought they were supposed to give 100% every week; where did that extra 10


If they can find it for the biggest games, are they short changing the fans by not being willing or able to produce it every week? Of course it is not as simple as that, the natural flood of adrenaline that kicks in when confronted by such an e
xtreme environment is beyond the control of anyone. The trick is to be able to channel that extra rush in the right directions and Gordon Strachan's men certainly did that.

Every professional player you ask will tell you immediately where and when he came across the best atmosphere in his career. Press him a little further and he will tell you the truth about how he really felt in that moment. I know for a fact that many are nervous, if not downright fearful, but others love the wall of sound that attacks the senses.

I certainly remember the noise of 100,000 Mexicans in the Aztec Stadium getting more than a little displeased when we, the Scotland Under-19 side, had the temerity to beat the hosts at the World Youth Championships. The massive boiling bowl not only funnelled the sound down on to the pitch, but also the bottles and bricks that were launched at us when the final whistle blew.

For me it was a defining moment. I loved it and wanted to be there in the middle of it all. I had never felt nerves before but after this I knew that I would never be nervous because nothing could be more extreme than that. And this is why you often hear managers talking about giving youngsters a taste of the biggest games, even if it is only as a late substitute. You find out who can cope and blossom and who is likely to buckle and hide. My experience tells me that if you get this experience young it is easier cope with and helps fast track the rest of your career.

Ryan Giggs has lived inside this environment for over 15 years and Cillian Sheridan might just be at the dawn of a sparkling career himself. One glancing header at goal and working himself to a standstill may have left some still questioning his credentials, but I saw enough to believe this is a young man who can cope with the pressure at that level. If he does last at the top for the next 15 years, will he come across anything more extreme than Parkhead on a big Champions League night?

Well, anyone who has played in Istanbul might make a case. Fenerbahce, Besiktas and Galatasaray compete to see who can be the loudest and the most intimidating and it isn't a competition I would like to judge. Suffice to say that when I played for Everton against Gala the noise was deafening throughout and because we were winning 3-2, their fans poured on to the pitch before the game finished to try to get the match abandoned. The players, home and away, all belted down the tunnel to safety, but that didn't stop them battering our team bus with bricks as we left. It was only a friendly so imagine what the derbies must be like.

I was at the Champions League final between Manchester Untied and Chelsea in Moscow in May. Around 90,000 packed into the Luzhniki Stadium for a pulsating game, but 24 hours later I was at Tannadice as Celtic pipped Rangers to the title in front of 13,000 and there was a far better buzz in Dundee. How does that happen?

Well, the stadium design is important and the occasion is as well, but more than anything else it's to do with the type of fans. For all that England is a country that loves its football, I have to say that having played in London derbies for Chelsea against Arsenal and Spurs, they do not even come close to an Old Firm match. Even a Liverpool v Everton clash is way down the scale in comparison to the Glasgow rammy.

This is of course partly down to the history, hatred and sense of danger involved in this particular match, but that isn't the main reason for its intensity. Both Ibrox and Parkhead break all relevant EU decibel levels on European nights when their oldest rivals aren't around and what's more, anyone who has been to a Scotland match at Hampden Park recently will tell you that the Old Firm haven't got a monopoly on mayhem in this country.

I think we take this support for granted in Scotland. Teams around the world would love to be able to call on this extra influence. And it does have a significant effect, not only on your own players but on the officials and the opposition as well. Most football folk will say that great players are lifted by these occasions and they are right, but others, even talented players, can experience a negative reaction.

Players who suffer from nerves often say they are a good thing, and I believe they probably are because they get the adrenaline going. But surely if the nervousness is uncontrolled it must have an adverse effect in some circumstances? Actually that isn't a question, it is a statement because I have seen it with my own eyes and it is not a good thing to witness in your team mates just before you walk out into an imposing amphitheatre.

This leads to an important point. As a group of fans you aren't going to be able to panic an entire team, but if just one or two of the visiting players are spooked by the spectacle before their eyes and the racket assaulting their ears, then it gives your side a huge advantage. I even think that happened on Wednesday with the mighty Manchester United. Nani seemed overawed by what surrounded him and it led him to have the mother of all stinkers in that first half.

Sir Alex spotted this and hooked him at the first reasonable opportunity but by then Celtic had taken advantage and it almost saw them through to the three points against arguably the best team on the planet. We might not be producing huge numbers of world-class footballers ourselves at the moment, but I suspect we now have hundreds of thousands of world-class supporters; maybe we should celebrate them more often.

A sense of atmosphere

NEVIN'S TOP FIVE

Mexico U19 0, Scotland U19 1 Aztec Stadium

Win was rewarded with a hail of bottles and bricks

Galatasaray 2, Everton 3

'Friendly' ended with a pitch invasion by home fans

Scotland 0, England 2 Hampden

A Rous Cup match from 1989

Everton 2, Liverpool 3 Wembley

The 1989 FA Cup final. Liverpool won it in extra time

Chelsea v Arsenal Stamford Bridge & Highbury

A passionate London derby

NEVIN'S BOTTOM FIVE

Stenhousemuir v Clyde Ochilview

A freezing wet Wednesday night

Arbroath v Motherwell Gayfield

Abandoned due to hurricane winds

Luxembourg 0, Scotland 0 Esch-sur-Alzette

Dismal Euro qualifier from 1987

Scottish Press v MSPs Murrayfield

Apparently more tasty nowadays

The Stiffs

Any reserve match when coming back from injury







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Loki,

Valhalla 09/11/2008 08:57:08
The British legion wrote to all SPL clubs asking for 1 minutes silence in remembrance. Only one club did not reply - Celtic. We have a club that asks we respect their Irish customs but have no time for our Scottish customs of respect for the sacrifice for the freedoms these ignorant supporters enjoy. Applause to cover-up boos - press censorship to cover-up their sectarianism. Will we hear an apology from the former Defence Secretary - Chairman Reid - I won't hold my breath.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 09:11:01
I wonder what would happen if we had a day to commemmorate the deaths of civilians killed by british forces, not just in Ireland, but around the world ?

Applause has been established for quite some time as the method of showing respect on these occassions, and there was nothing unusual about that being the adopted method at CP yesterday.

As regards the protesters, the scotsman has reported on it - see andrew smith's match report - and estimates around 40 youths made the protest.

That's 40 out of a crowd of 54,000. They made their protest peacefully and whether you agree with them or not, they are entitled in a democracy to make their protest...so less than 0.1% made a peaceful protest.

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Helter Skelter,

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Whether you agree with them or not, they were protesting on a matter of principle, and they did so within the law.

They formed a small group of what has been reported as 40 youths....they didn't turn a city into an open sewer, loot and pillage and vandalise a city centre causing miiliions of pounds worth of damage or try to murder any police officers.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 09:20:04
I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of what I call 'Poppy fascism'. That is those ridiculous people with obviously too much time on their hands who think they have some god given right to tell people what they must think.
A measure of how ludicrous they are is that they were calling soap-operas like Eastenders 'a disgrace' just because none of the characters were wearing poppies. When will it end?
Am I right in reading that Celtic did commemorate remembrance day?
Yes, but you still get these poppy fascists saying 'oh, but not in the way we want you to'-ffs what more do they want?

Get this-I wear a poppy, I remember the dead of mistaken British adventurism-but guess what? I'll do it in my own way, and anyone who doesn't like that can F*** off.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 09:29:34
Some rearrangerz fanz seem to think by belting up for 60 seconds on remembrance day gets them off the hook for causing some of the worst riots on the UK mainland in the last thirty years.

They are beyond parody.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 09:34:14
'so less than 0.1% made a peaceful protest.'

Compare that with the oft quoted statistic by rangers fans; 'less than 0.1% of rangers fans were trying to kick a policeman to death'.
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Dublin 09/11/2008 09:34:25
On the poppy issue...Wear one if you want,if not, dont!
Personal choice and democracy in action.

As for the game,another three points for relantless Champs, Celtic.Another three points for Killie today would be just fine!
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 09:36:56
In WW2, our forces were fighting against a group who saw themselves as 'THE people', who hated ethnic minorities, who engaged initially in forced repatriation before eventually attempting genocide.

Can anyone think of a scottish football club whose fan base strikes any parrallells ?
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 09:46:52
Boruc, Loovens, McGeady, Maloney, Crosas, Jan, Samaras, Killen and Nakamura.

That's two injuries short of a full team, but the champions don't complain....we just keep winning.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 09:52:32
Anyone see Mizuno coming on as a late sub for his debut ?

He looked bursting with confidence as he waited on the touchline to replace SM, and when he came on , impressed me in the few minutes we saw.

He had one shot on goal about a foot over the bar, but the footwork as he approached the age of box just before releasing the shot looked very tricky indeed...and like all good players, he pulled it off without looking at the ball....he was watching the man in front's reaction to his trickery.

He has been very patiently prepared for the first team, spending all of last season in the reserves and the start of this season. He will obviously need games to raise his match fitness to this level, but the raw materials look very, very good.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

09/11/2008 10:20:55
Celtic being the only club in Britain not to go for the traditional minute's silence is kind of embarrassing in this day and age. It's ironic given that they are also the only club in Britain whose chairman has played an active role in the illegal war in Iraq.

I don't think they can complain about being lumped alongside Rangers as the "Old Firm" anymore - both are clearly as bad as each other and this so called "best fans in the world" tag is an insult to all the real football fans in Scotland who manage to keep politics, "traditions and heritage" and religion out of the game. Add to that the couple of fan invasions in recent European games, their away support's behaviour in and around Tynecastle, and the general nastiness of their away support in particular. They're not quote up to Rangers fans neanderthal-ness, but are nearly there.
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Blarney 09/11/2008 10:35:27
#18 For a hertz fan to mouth off about other clubs fans really takes the biscuit. Did you manage to fold up your banner ok last week?
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 10:39:16
Christiano Ronaldo gets right up my nose. Fair enough, if he couldn't kick a ball he'd no doubt have excelled in some other sport.

But he's so aloof , so detached, so disparaging of everyone else that he just gives me the boke. If Celtic , hypothetically were offered either him or Rooney, for me it would be a no brainer : Rooney wins hands down.

Even so, it was quite gratifying to read that FIFA's best player in the world described Fortress CP as the greatest stadium that he has ever played in.
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09/11/2008 10:41:17
Contrary to the Scotsmans report that DUFC fans enthusiastically applauded Eddie Thompsons tribute.....we were ENTHUSIASTICALLY respectful to a MINUTES SILENCE.....jeez, apparently you can make it up....
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 10:44:38
Don't expect Killie to do much against rangers today. Generally they never look that bothered whenever they lose against them.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

09/11/2008 10:47:18
#19 Classic Celtic fan's response. Ignore your own club's behaviour. What banner by the way? The handful of Section N numpties (average age 17) were waving their wee flags if that's what you mean. Are you seriously saying Hearts minority of Rangers wannabees who unfortunately turn out for your benefit (but are luckily never seen the rest of the year) is anywhere near the size of the Old Firm? I wouldn't go if that was the case. Take a look at yourself.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

09/11/2008 10:51:57
#23 Whatever - Hearts fans were set up that day as you well know. Did you happen to witness the Celtic fans abusing the old poppy sellers before the last game at Tynecastle? Seriously - every club has idiots, and we can all come up with examples. Only two clubs have failed to reign in their fans behaviour over the years - that's you and your cousins. Only two clubs have caused rouble abroad. And only two indulge in mass singing, rather than a few knots of idiots. And only one club's supporters failed to respect Armistice Day - the irony being may of them would be speaking German if the Irish Republicans you claim to support had had their way.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 10:54:45
Rearrangerz are deep in the brown stuff if they don't collect all three points.

I think a ten point lead will prove unassailable this season, and if rearrangerz lose today, we're half way there.

But I don't expect rearrangerz to drop points today. I'm still prepared to accept that Saint Mirren and Dundee United were 'one offs' in the sense that rearrangerz could have won both games.

However, a failure to return to winning ways today changes that assessment...if rearrangerz slip up today I don't think that there can be any doubt that their title challenge is slipping of the rails.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 10:57:31
'It's ironic given that they are also the only club in Britain whose chairman has played an active role in the illegal war in Iraq.'

There's the rub; Whilst it is right to remember the dead, many people, including this poster GWoWK, clearly don't necessarily think that the wars they died in were worth fighting. Such a subtle point is hard to make in the context of many remembrance day ceremonies which have rapidly turned into a celebration of british imperialism.
So either you can commemorate Remembrance day and bite your tongue, or you can simply ignore it altogether.

Those who have hijacked Remembrance Day for the sake of british nationalism and want to force everyone else to join in their festival of jingoism are the worst kind of hypocrites and the most disrespectful of all towards those who died in the wars.
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I-Mac,

09/11/2008 11:12:41
"In WW2, our forces were fighting against a group who saw themselves as 'THE people',"

The same ones who belt out "Let The People Sing"? ;o)
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 11:15:18
The big question today is who will make way for cap'n unbookable?

The consensus seems to be that either Davis, Thomson or Mendez will be benched to allow bazza back into the starting line up.

I f that is correct, I think rearrangerz fanz are going to have to wake up to an unpalatable fact : at the moment, bazza is neither fit enough or good enough to dislodge any of the three.

That puts Walter in a tricky situation. If he starts with bazza, he weakens the side and aggravates the risk of dropping points.
If he benches bazza and drops points anyway, the rearrangerz hordes will say that he should have started bazza.

Rock and a hard place for Walta me thinks.
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Figgy,

Remebering the fallen that allowed scum to be free 09/11/2008 12:18:55
Britain saw for themselves yesterday that British subjects p.iss on their war dead.
You hate our country-why dont you go home-filth
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

09/11/2008 12:18:55
#36 Yes very good, we get the message. You are obviously a Rangers fan. In the interests of balance it's worth pointing out you mob are just as bad - worse in my eyes.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 12:26:08
I remember the dead who were the victims of British adventurism.It is a scandal that Two generations of Scottish men died because of idiotic british politicians.
What is an outrage is that the british nationalists have hijacked remembrance day and turned it into a celebration of the very institutions-politicians, the royal family-who in fact should be hanging their heads in shame on this day.

I commemorate Remembrance day and condemn british nationalism.

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HeyPally,

09/11/2008 12:42:26
Where have you been hiding, Molloy?

Think it's safe to rear your ugly, bigoted head again?

Molloy the Coward.
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HeyPally,

09/11/2008 12:44:37
#42

Eddie Smith
Iain Brines
Steve Conroy
Dougie McDonald
Kenny Clarke

You just don't get the concept of irony at all, do you?
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The Blue Bear,

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Once again Celtic fans show themselves up as the worst fans in Britain!

The disgracful scenes yesterday at Celtic Park when every fan sullied the memory of those that made the ultimate sacrifice so that they could live their lives as they do today was an absolute outrage. So much for the 'all-inclusive club' line that those idiots usually trot out!

The sooner Celtic Football Club is closed down the better because then, and only then, can Scotland and Britain live again and the world will be a better place without these rancid scumbags.

Scum and cowards to a man!

You don't like our country - why don't you go home?
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The Blue Bear,

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Oh and by the way.....Molloy, being a coward, it is no surprise who you support, Scumbag!
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 12:54:18
no, the subhuman vermin are all those who call themselves 'british'.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:03:31
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Do you support the right of the 40 odd youths to make their peaceful protest ?

The alternative is that you are in fact an enemy of democracy.

I shall assume that you are a democrat, that you support their right to make lawful peaceful protest.

The consequence of that however is that you've been talkin' through yir €rse throughout this thread.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 13:06:19
'My family fought and died fighting the swastika'

So did mine, but they didn't fight so vermin like you could wave your filthy union jack in our faces you piece of sh*t.
And in case you hadn't noticed dumbo, there was a commemoration for the war dead at Parkhead yesterday. If you don't like the style of it, so what- Who cares about your opinion anyway?
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:07:53
By the highest estimates, around 0.1% of the Celtic fans attending yesterday's match make a lawful, peaceful, protest.

They didn't drop their kegs in their thousands and defecate all 'round a city centre.

They didn't vandalise property causing millions of pounds worth of damage.

They didn't stab anyone.

They didn't loot any shops.

They didn't riot.

They didn't try to kill any police officers.
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09/11/2008 13:11:30
#49 It's nothing to do with nationalism. It's commemorating the people who basically saved the free world we now live in. I'm a Scottish nationalist and am no unionist and I'm happy to observe a minute's silence and wear a poppy as, in my eyes, a symbol of the folly of all wars. Your comments about collaborating is interesting. While thousands of Irish people signed up to fight the Nazis, the official IRA - the ones celebrated by many Celtic fans - were in bed with them.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:12:38
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And as a democrat you support the right for others to make lawful , peaceful protest ?
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 13:15:32
' It's nothing to do with nationalism. It's commemorating the people who basically saved the free world we now live in.'

you indicated above that you thought the Iraq war was a mistake.
As it happens, I think the first (and therefore the second) world wars were even bigger mistakes. I take issue with rememberance day because it's treated as a victory parade, which in my mind it certainly isn't. Strip away all the politicians, english royalty and union jacks, and I might consider attending one.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

09/11/2008 13:17:13
If it doesn't involve hate speech, then yes. My quibble is with Celtic's non-observance of the minute's silence - I'm not aware of any specific protest being discussed.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 13:17:55
#58 I note also your remark about the IRA being 'in bed with the nazis'. It doesn't bother you then that britain was in bed with stalin and that the consequence of WW2 was that Stalin was able to take over most of Eastern Europe-including Poland, the very country they went to war supposedly to save!
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london calling,

09/11/2008 13:19:52
The Inquisitive Mind of a Child


Why are they selling poppies, mummy?
Selling poppies in town today?
The poppies, child, are flowers of love
For the men who marched away.

But, why have they chosen a poppy, mummy?
Why not a beautiful rose?
Because, my child, men fought and died
In fields where the poppies grow.

But, why are the poppies so red, mummy
Why are the poppies so red?
Red is the colour of blood, my child
The blood our soldiers shed.

The heart of the poppy is black, mummy
Why does it have to be black?
Black, my child is a symbol of grief
For the men who never came back.

But, why mummy, are you crying so?
Your tears are giving you pain
My tears are my fears for you my child
For, the world is forgetting again
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:26:11
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I think 'quibble' is the right word. Your point is one of form and not substance.

If you find applause inappropriate, then fine, that's your opinion.

The Royal British Legion isn't the final arbiter of what is right and wrong.

Football clubs around Europe have used applause in commemmorative scenarios for several years. It can be seen as a celebration of their lives and the sacrafice that they made.

We could argue all day about form, but it is the substance that counts : the outward sign of acknowledgement...whether that comes in the form of applause or silence is quite irrelevant and ultimately a question of personal taste.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:32:05
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57 said a helluva lot more than that.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:38:55
My 57 post has certainly kept this numpty busy.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:44:23
I think we are dealing with a very disturbed mind here.
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Daillyman,

09/11/2008 13:48:28
13 Helter/Patrick

So in you're post in WW2,,, "They were our forces" you're quote.

Then you follow up by posting what I guess are you're true feelings.

Some guys need to grow up, get out more see what life has to offer. Patrick the world does not revolve around you're four bedroom walls and CFC, try to enjoy life a wee bit more.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

09/11/2008 13:49:39
Clutching at straws to suggest that a handful of minor incidents over ten years in any way equates to ranger's disgrace in Manchester.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:49:59
As I said in post 57, around 0.1% of the Celtic fans attending yesterday's match engaged in a lawful, peaceful protest.

They did not engage in any of the activities listed in my post 57.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:53:40
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Try taking deep breaths...have a cup of tea...listen to some elevator music....but see a psychiatrist first thing in the morning.
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Bosco Bhoy,

09/11/2008 13:53:52
It would seem to any reasonable fella that vangaurd is off his trolly.

Any chance of talking about the footie or is it just exagerations, distortions, half truths and lies all round.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:57:04
I'm beginning to think that it was this lunatic that started the manchester riots.
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If Ye Cannae,

09/11/2008 13:57:21
What a disgusting bunch we have in those bhoys from Oirland.

They complain about The Famine Song and then do what they did yesterday, well I think the whole of Britain see's what they are truly like and how disgusting they are.

IRELANDS SHAME = SELLICK FC
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Bosco Bhoy,

09/11/2008 13:58:23
Anybody see the Man Utd Arsenal match yesterday?

Arsenal do play some great football and Chelski and Man U arent even on the same planet when it comes to their footballing style and approach.
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09/11/2008 13:58:32
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 13:58:37
Death threats drove gazza to drink ?

I thought he usually took a taxi.
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09/11/2008 13:59:52
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 14:00:17
Lordy what a bunch of lunatics the hard core of rearrangerz fanz are.
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Bosco Bhoy,

09/11/2008 14:00:19
It would seem we have examples here of what Mr Murray calls the "enemey within".

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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 14:01:33
They make the Church of Scientology seem quite reasonable.
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09/11/2008 14:01:39
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Bosco Bhoy,

09/11/2008 14:02:25
The 'cyber scum' ( Mr Murray words) who make up the "enemey within" cause their club more damage than any detractors could hope to ever achieve.

The posts above are evidence of this.
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09/11/2008 14:02:27
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Bosco Bhoy,

09/11/2008 14:04:36
What Vangaurd and his cohorts find really hard to stomach is that they are despised by their very own clubs senior management.

They struggle with the pain of knowing Mr Murray calls them the "enemey within".
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Bosco Bhoy,

09/11/2008 14:05:49
Vangaurd: Mr Murray calls you the "enemey within".

Tragic isnt it?
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If Ye Cannae,

09/11/2008 14:06:00
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Whats up boscobhoy don't you like the truth?

Is your GFITW (copyright Sellick FC dodgy fans)halo slipping?
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Bosco Bhoy,

09/11/2008 14:06:57
Vangaurd: Mr Murray calls you the "enemey within".

How do feel about that
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educator,

09/11/2008 14:07:08
On a weekend when a whole nation pays respect to the millions of people who died in the wars, every village town and city lost sons, brothers fathers and friends, All so we can live the free life that we do. One club in the whole of British football refused to have a minutes silence, Why, because the people in charge of this despicable club KNOW the calibre of their disgusting idiotic moronic lowlife fans, shame on you Glasgow Celtic and the vermin they can fans
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Daillyman,

09/11/2008 14:07:33
95 VANDUARD,

I could not give a t*** ab0out you're cutting and pasting re. CFC.

All I want to see is the Gers trying to play better football than they did last season, which they have done in matches this year, and win the SPL title first and foremost, then what ever domestic cup silverware they can. Can you not stick to that with you're posts or did you not read SDM comments in his speech regarding Internet thugs. You are embarrassing our club.
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If Ye Cannae,

09/11/2008 14:07:59
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Unlike your "war criminal" chairman who called himself "A WEE F*NIAN FROM GLASGOW".

It starts from the top and worms it's way down to you bheastly bhunch.
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 14:10:41
What time do the rearrangerz KO today ?
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If Ye Cannae,

09/11/2008 14:10:49
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I see you are another of the Murrayite brigade and happy to let people slag our club off.

SSSHHH if you don't answer them it will all go away.

See no evil, hear no evil is that you philosophy?
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 14:18:26
Look all the bill leckies will be getting their wee todgers oot in tomorrow's press and you'll be able to sit and get as much 'executive relief' as you like tomorrow as minty's flunkies turn that tiny peaceful protest into something approaching a national emergency.
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Daillyman,

09/11/2008 14:18:37
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Try using you're brain,, look at the sources who are trying to slag the Gers off they are not worth the time of a response. Let them suck you in to a he said she said debate, that will lead to nothing other than closing the thread.

As for SDM he has been a great chairman for the Gers,, were you bit**ing about him when we were doing 9iar. or when he spent 17 mil at the start of the season.

My philosophy is support the Gers and to *ell with the the rest of the rubbish that fuels you life.
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If Ye Cannae,

09/11/2008 14:26:45
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What a joke.

Minty is an asset stripper of the highest order.

He sold our stores to a failing sports retailer in JJB, who soon after closed 70 stores.

He got us into the debt through his failings and then let someone else take the flak in John McClelland.

The catering at Ibrox is all outsourced to a certain company which he happened to have a stake in before he just recenttly sold it.

MINTY NEVER stands up for the fans or the club and only does so when HE is intimated in any story.

Maybe you should look at WHY he spent this money in the summer, nothing to do with the fact WE were p*mped out of Europe by any chance would it?

Maybe you should engage your brain eh?
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Helter Skelter,

09/11/2008 14:32:55
Daillyman if you don't watch out they'll be copying and pasting for the next tweny minutes.

These are sad cases , best left to play with their toys.

Referee Eddie Smith gives rearrangerz a penalty...but Boydbenchio misses.
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educator,

09/11/2008 14:43:09
Vanguard man, It is really not fair you exposing this filth for what they really are, you appear to be far too intelligent for these mindless morons, people like this really are more to be pitied than scorned, they have no grasp of reality, You even have one idiot who did not agree with World War II, So in his opinion Hitler and the Nazi's should have been allowed to kill all jews gypsies and invade every country they wanted too. Funny enough Hiltler's collaborator DeValera thought the same
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Daillyman,

09/11/2008 14:50:08
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Major asset stripper is he,, would that be the same guy who was sold a bill of goods about success in Europe by Advocate. Who he backed foolishly to the hilt and thus putting the club in severe dept, of which he wiped 50mil of with the stroke of a pen.

Do not JJB sports pay a royalty to Ibrox yearly?

Spending the money on players to late to keep us in Europe, is it not possible SDM was told we have the squad to get through the qualifiers, then we can sign players, is that not just possible??

You have a very short memory, look at the state of the club before SDM and what he has done with the club since taking over.
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educator,

09/11/2008 14:50:49
James / Helter Skelter Is that you new name to hide your cowardly embarrassment. Why do you never attempt to defend your despicable club and it's despicable fans, Pitch invasions seem to be popular at To rbett Towers, Attack on Gordon Strachan, Attack on Ally Maxwell, 3 attempted attacks on Hugh Dallas, attack on Dida, and now this latest Juan Guy. You will be pleased to hear UEFA have been informed of all these pitch invasions, I think Vanguard man really has put to bed and exposed the self proclaimed GFITW